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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #753973 November 08th 2019 11:10 pm
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Despite some issues to sort out on my van, I think I'm gonna luv it. The only thing that would make it even better was if I could stick a 5 speed from a Dakota pickup in it.

I've been driving my van around just to see if I can figure this out. So far I've put about 100 miles on it since I got it. 60 miles coming home and 40 around town. I put 25 miles on it today.

I think the reason the noise was worse coming home was the PO didn't have one of the latches secured on the doghouse which was allowing more noise to enter the cabin.

Best way I can describe this noise is it sounds like a diesel engine at part throttle. Despite the muffler shop looking at it, I'm kind of wondering if this could still be an exhaust leak. One day my Fiat 124 turbo Spider started making what sounded like detonation after topping off the fuel tank. Being a custom turbo system, I've always got my ears tuned to engine noises. I thought I had purchased some low octane fuel. Turns out just some of the nuts on the turbo and exhaust system had loosened at the same time I topped off the fuel tank. What a coincidence!

So far today in 25 miles and several stops, the van has not stalled on me. Yeah that was another issue. This happened as I was leaving the guy's house! He said just turn the key off and it will restart. Now you tell me. If this had happened before I handed him the money, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Then it happened again after leaving my parent's house. And a couple of times at the foot of my driveway.

There seems to be a pattern going on.

1) Engine warm
2) Start 30 minutes later
3) Move about 500 feet
4) Loose power then stalls
5) hit the switch and it restarts

It also starts popping like it's running lean before it stalls.

It has never stalled after a cold start and just driven. It's only seems to happen after restarting the engine after it's sat for awhile.

It's almost like this thing has a carburetor and it's vapor locking or heat soaking. I was hoping it could just old fuel.

The guy said the van had been parked for about a year. It had 2 gallons of gas in it . The low fuel light kicked on. Luckily I made it to a gas station. I put premium in it and drove it 60 miles home. It had stalled a few times after that. I added some of that Sta-bil marine ethanol treatment in the tank and added about 5 gallons on top of that. I'm not sure if that stuff really works or not to be honest.

99% of the time when I have a problem, it never seems to be the fuel. I did have water condense in the fuel tank of my riding mower a few years ago and blinded the fuel filter where gas couldn't pass through it but that's about it.


1998 Chevrolet 1500 Explorer
2001 Dodge B1500 "shorty"
1984 Dodge B150 Slant 6 225, four speed manual
2003 Subaru Baja
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1977 MGB
1980 Fiat 124 Spider
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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #753976 November 09th 2019 12:44 am
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Van sat for 2 yrs with a couple gal of gas … that gas should have been drained … addin hi test may have helped but now it needs a couple of tanks run thru it …. then a good tune up …. Stabil doesn't work on old gas ….bad gas reaks havoc on a tune up …. hard to find whats really wrong with it.


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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #753980 November 09th 2019 9:03 am
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Best thing is just start with everything new , had the same problem with my 77. redid it all and runs great now for over a year. Good luck with it.


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Re: New ride
newkirkinc1 #754129 November 15th 2019 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by newkirkinc1
Best thing is just start with everything new , had the same problem with my 77. redid it all and runs great now for over a year. Good luck with it.


Is there a drain plug on a 2001 fuel tank? What's the best way to completely drain the tank?

It started loosing power again as I was leaving Walmart but just as always I shut the engine off, restated the van and it ran fine.

I replaced the idler, tensioner pulley and belt yesterday and got rid of the crickets under the hood.

There is still this noise at part throttle. Sounds exactly like a diesel engine. Could that be the torque converter?

Correct me if I am wrong but I tend to think automatics and or torque converters useally crap out without warning. They either work or they do not.

The TC on Dad's 94 Plymouth Voyager died going up a hill and destroyed the transmission. Sure enough it failed at 60,000 miles which was the life of the Mitsubishi 4-speed Shit-o-matic.


1998 Chevrolet 1500 Explorer
2001 Dodge B1500 "shorty"
1984 Dodge B150 Slant 6 225, four speed manual
2003 Subaru Baja
1968 Ford Fairlane 500
1977 MGB
1980 Fiat 124 Spider
1981 Trabant 601
1987 Yugo GV
1987 Citroen 2CV
Re: New ride
Jseabolt #754140 November 15th 2019 4:52 pm
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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #755918 January 17th 2020 5:47 am
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OK. Update on the van. Concerning this engine noise.

So I bought this van back in October. I gave $1500 for it which I thought was a killer deal. Well sometimes you get what you pay for.

The guy said the van had a rattle that he could not determine the source. I couldn't here it on the back roads. Sure enough when I got out on the interstate it started making this awful noise at 55 mph. I could make the noise go away with my foot by either giving it more gas or letting off the throttle. To make a long story short, I took it to two mechanics and they both said it was a rod knock. I always thought a rod knock would show up at idle. At idle and below 55 mph in Drive, the engine actually sounded OK. I could actually make the rattle occur as low as 30 mph by shifting into L1 to increase the RPMs.

Here is a video of the engine rattle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQvCiI3ixbU

The owner told me the engine needed an oil pump because when the engine heats up, the oil pressure gauge drops from 30 PSI to 0 and the check gauges light kicks on. What I think was happening was the rod bearings were so worn, it wasn't the oil pump that was bad but rather it loosing oil pressure from the worn rod bearings. So not allot of pressure was reaching the top of the block were the oil pressure sending unit is located.

This guy totally misrepresented this van. He claimed it blew a head gasket then the rattle happened after he had the van repaired. I'm starting to wonder if none of that actually happened. He knew it had a rod knocking but didn't want to lose out on a sale. Yes I probably would have passed on the deal if I had known that. Nobody wants to buy a car with a bad engine unless of course they can get it cheap, have a good motor ready to drop it in and do it themselves. These Dodge vans are a dime a dozen and I had plenty to choose from. I guess I chose this one because it was black and a short wheelbase. Not so much the price.

So I had a few options.

1) Sell the van as is and take a loss on it if I had to. But be honest to the seller that the motor is stuffed. Otherwise this guy may come back to me!
2) Run it through one of those auctions and let it be the next guy's problem.
3) Run it until the engine blows, then worry about it.
4) Find a used engine to stick in it while there are still Dakotas left in junkyards.

The 1st mechanic said he found a used engine for $2800 with 150,000 miles on it but that did not include labor. I'm like what? I told the guy, you mean that's the best you can find used engine for? They may not have built that many RAM vans but they did build 100s of thousands of Dakotas that use the same engine. I told the guy, why would I want to do that when I can get a Jasper engine for $3000? But I really didn't want to put that much money into a 20 year old van. I mean if I knew someone wouldn't hit me and total it and the van was in mint condition. Maybe.

I knew a guy who ran a junkyard and called him. He said he had a good used engine he pulled from a 1999 Dakota with 140,000 miles he would sell me for $600. WOW! What a price difference. Then I found a guy who would install it for $600. So I decided to go that route. I ended up paying the mechanic $750 in the end. I think he had to buy some gaskets for it. I also had to get a new radiator. The guy who ran the junkyard found me a new one radiator with a lifetime warranty for $120 and cut me a deal on the engine and radiator.

So now I have a good running van for about $3000. But I have seen other Dodge vans for sale for that much. So in the end I really didn't get the deal I thought I did.

I still have this nagging issue where the engine starts flooding out one minute after a hot start when the engine temperature is between luke warm and 130 degrees. Anywhere from 15 minutes to 3 hours. But doesn't happen when stone cold or if I restart the van within 10 to 15 minutes. I can time it on my watch when it's about to start running like shit. It either happens at the foot of my drive way or passing the bus stop at Wal-Mart if I park around the side. Electronic fuel injection : Best invention EVERRRRRR.....

I'm thinking why this is occurring almost exactly 1 minute after starting the engine is this is when the ECU is going into a closed loop and is expected feedback from something and is malfunctioning. I can either hold the throttle to the floor for 30 seconds and eventually it will clear out or just shut the ignition off and restart it. Then the engine runs fine.

I'm leaning toward the heated element in the Bank 1 O2 sensor. Reason is the OBD II stored a code regarding something to do with the Bank 1 O2 sensor but dumb ass me cleared the code! Maybe the heating element is burned out but once the exhaust heats up, the sensor starts reading normally.

The weird thing is the cat converter has been cut off this thing and not once has it flashed a code saying Bank 2 O2 sensor detected high carbon emissions or whatever. It should. When the distributor cap and rotor button went bad on my 98 Chevy, it dumped fuel into the exhaust and ever since then the computer said the converter was bad because the Bank 2 O2 sensor detected a bad reading or something. I had it checked by a muffler shop and they said it wasn't bad. Eventually the CEL bulb blew! It's been running fine for 8 years after that. I figured if the cat converter had suffered a meltdown, I'd know it.

Anyway, I got my van back. It seems to run pretty good. Although my carbed 225 Slant 6 seems to run better for some reason. Like I said before, Electronic fuel injection : Best invention EVERRRRRR.....

Last edited by Jseabolt; January 17th 2020 6:33 am.

1998 Chevrolet 1500 Explorer
2001 Dodge B1500 "shorty"
1984 Dodge B150 Slant 6 225, four speed manual
2003 Subaru Baja
1968 Ford Fairlane 500
1977 MGB
1980 Fiat 124 Spider
1981 Trabant 601
1987 Yugo GV
1987 Citroen 2CV
Re: New ride
Jseabolt #755922 January 17th 2020 9:35 am
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Yep I have two vans with rods knocking, I am building a 350 right now for a 78 Chevy, And picked up a 5.0 h.o. for my 89 e250. Now I have to find the time to work on them.


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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #755935 January 18th 2020 5:24 pm
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Good luck with it.


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Re: New ride
Jseabolt #755943 January 18th 2020 7:25 pm
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Hi Jseabolt,

Welcome to the site!

$1500? another 15 into it? Turn that frown upside down! I think you did alright. Pretty nice little unit, Sir.
The Factory Service Manual has a ton of info on the fuel injection, and troubleshooting. EBay
Questions, Still a 3.9? Throttle body, or MPI?
Adequate Fuel pump pressure, output, flow?

Good Wrenching! shift

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