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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #748569 May 18th 2019 2:40 pm
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Does anyone know if there is a difference in the motor mounts and frame in the engine area between 92 and 02 vans? I found an driveline swap candidate for when the 6 cylinder gives up. From what I found in Pennsylvania, I can do a diesel swap on this van without a bunch of hassles, there are actual a few Mennonite outfits not too far from where I live who specializes in cummins and other diesel conversions. So any insight on motor mount and frame difference would be awesome and greatly appreciated. If the frames are the same from 92 on this will make my swap much simpler.


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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #748920 May 26th 2019 9:32 pm
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Finally going for paint and body, nothing special but there won't be rust anymore.
I know most would advise against it but I'm going to do an idi swap. I know they're not fast or as powerful as a modern diesel but they are a ton simpler and I think more reliable without all the electronic stuff. I know most would say just start with a diesel van if that's what you want or why not a power stroke? Handicap vans are expensive as is, even though this one isn't what it was supposed to be, it is set up almost perfectly for my plans. It has the hightop and shuttle bus lift and all the tie downs. Plus it has a sentimental value to me because my grandparents made it possible to get this van and now they are both passed on. I considered just swapping a 5.4 in but from what I've read that's pretty much s total rewire plus I wouldn't be able to get it inspected due to emissions but if I swap to diesel I would be exempt from emissions.
Big plans and alot of work. I can hardly wait to get it back from body so we can start putting the axles under it and make it fake 4x4 for awhile. My wife is cool with my plans and spending so far. Hopefully she's this enthusiastic when I save enough to add turbo and supporting mods....


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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #748921 May 26th 2019 9:36 pm
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Oh and if anyone is looking I have a 4r100 nv271 combo for sale from a 5.4 gas truck, for sale or trade.


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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #749180 June 02nd 2019 7:48 pm
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Back on track found a 4x4 4r70w with the correct bell housing so I might not be rolling fake 4x for long.


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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #750968 July 25th 2019 11:57 pm
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Waiting sucks, I'm waiting to get my van back from the body shop still, oh well the body man has a life too and things happen, but hopefully he gets done with it soon, it's setting me back a little on my conversion, I'm hoping to have 4x4 by rifle season.
Also does anyone have any suggestions on a power programmer for 4.2 equipped econolines that will work on a 2002 model? I'm content with the power it has for now with the van empty aside from a set of tires in back, my wheelchair and my wife and I. It kills my dodge on take off cruise speed and pulling hills. My dodge is shorter and a 3.9 v6. I haven't got to haul a real load with the Ford yet but basically empty vs empty the Ford blows dust all over the dodge.
I'm considering building a turbo kit but not anytime soon. I think being a v6 and if I ran electric fans a turbo would fit in that area if positioned right, I think a scoop and or louvers in the hood would be in order to aide cooling though. There are a few impressive f150s on another forum I frequent and alot of 4.2 swapped and 3.8 mustangs putting down some impressive numbers, more power than I need.
I've decided on 4.88 gears, if the calculator I used is accurate I should be within 100 rpm of what it is on stock tires and 4.10 r&p it has now. I will be running 285-75- 16 or 315-75- 16. I have a set of each. I don't do alot of highway travel and everything I need and enjoy is pretty local. So I'm not real concerned with if it revs a little higher at cruise speed. I'm having a hard time picking out a nice all terrain, I've always loved bfgs but saw a couple other patterns that look like they would suit my needs pretty well and save a couple bucks over bfg, but in my experience bfgs do everything I have ever asked of them on everything I had them on. I'm open to suggestions, if anyone has experience with a little bit cheaper tire or different a/t pattern. I've seen a few Chinese specials on eBay with too good to be true prices but don't know anyone who's been brave enough to run them.
I've also reevaluated my project and decided to not swap the engine, between gears and if I decide to go forced induction this thing should do just fine. The stock power numbers aren't far off from Chevy 5.7 equipped vans. And adding forced induction I won't need as much help and working around my buddies schedules as I would to diesel swap, if I add forced induction at all. If I can get a power programmer or find someone to do a good tune local, and do a few simple things to up the power and swap to lower gears I should be real happy with it.
I'm up to $1647 invested so far but I'm selling the 4r100/nv271 combo tomorrow for $150 to help a younger guy out and get the stuff out of my way. Then i will be picking up an engine trans and transfer case for 450 as soon as I go get a trailer tire. That engine will be a very long build that will be in another thread somewhere on internet land.

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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #751940 August 27th 2019 10:26 am
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Yay got my 4wd trans transfer case and extra engine. Does anyone see any reason I can't use the 4406 transfer case? It has what appears to be a vss on the tail housing, also when cross reference parts between my 02 van and the 01 f150 donor these parts came from, shows that there is a vss with the same part number between the 2. My understanding is that if I use a 1356 t case I won't need to do any voodoo to make my speedometer work, but my thinking is if the 4406 has a vss why can't I use it? It's not by any means going to be a heavy hauler and I will be going with 4.56 or 4.88 gears so that should certainly help with any lack of power. It's getting a very basic interior treatment with an easily removable bed and under bed storage in case I need to haul anything in the back of the van. If I can run 65 with a small trailer and atv on back I will be going fast enough for a lifted 4x4 van I think, also I will be running 285-75-16 or 315-75-16 tires, not positive which yet, I have a set of each, pretty much whatever fits and looks better.
But any insight on using the 4406 t case will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
Dw89xj #755438 January 01st 2020 6:03 pm
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Still waiting on my body man, I know it's not priority and he's doing it in his spare time but damn the nice weather is gone for this year. And the more that gets fixed the more he finds that needs or really should be fixed. Oh well I guess it's the way it goes. Il be spending the money either way, I am starting to wish I started with a different van at this point.

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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
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But wait, there's more....

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Re: 2002 Econoline 4x4 conversion
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My buddy says he's pretty positive it sat for a period of time with the window down. The worst rust is all on the driver side. The wheel arch and rocker and rear lower quarter is bad on the passenger side but not as bad as the driver's. The drivers area is the only bad spot on all of the floor so far. Gotta love that road salt for winter maintenance. Maybe il get lucky and he will be finished by spring so I can get these axles under it. I'm going to go ahead and have my transmission rebuilt so it's ready. I'm still not sure on if this tcase will be good enough or if I should try to source a 1356 from a bronco so it has a flange rear output instead of slip. Although it's not being built to be a flexy crawler just a good 4x4 van to get where I'm going so the fixed yoke isn't really a necessity. I'm still undecided on forced induction, the van makes alright power for a full-size van, much much better than my dodge 3.9 b1500. It is night and day taking off and merging on the highway. I'd say it's on par with the early to mid 90s gm v8 vans for power, nothing to write home about but plenty to do what it was built for.
I'm having a real tough time picking a color from the monsta-shades chips I have. Staying white would be easiest but the other tans and grays I gave samples of are pretty nice too. Maybe all white with light quartz gray along bottom and a 1-2" stripe of darker gray to separate the white and light gray or switch the grays around. I don't know, there's a million color combinations that would turn out nice looking. Even some of the Wilder colors are attractive but that takes away from keeping it clean and semi low profile, as low profile as a hitop 4x4 van can be I guess.


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