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door seal rubbers all round #725060
June 24th 2017 9:45 pm
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Hi, I have a complete set of door seal rubbers I will be fitting shortly, whats the best adhesive for this job?
cheers

Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #725148
June 29th 2017 2:52 am
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Matman, I'm surprised your question hasn't brought up more responses!

I'll throw a little information into the mix to get things moving.

On the vintage Dodge vans I've worked on most of the door seals are held with small serrated plastic pins, but there are certain areas, like at the top of the rear cargo door seals, where what appears to have been a basic brownish contact adhesive such as DAP contact cement was often applied between the flat rear surface of the seals and doors, to improve the seal quality, in an effort to reduce leaks in that especially trouble prone area. When the old seals are peeled off, the adhesive often peels up a little despite it's age, so it must have been of pretty decent quality to remain flexible for so long. To my eyes, the adhesive appeared to have been applied via a small brush or buff applicator, rather than being sprayed on.

Many contact cements are intended to be applied thinly to both surfaces, allowed to dry till semi glossy, perhaps 15 minutes, then pressed together. This forms an aggressive bond.

Butyl Rubber cement is a very commonly used adhesive on automotive seals, such as on the windshield seals and roof vents. It's commonly pigmented black, and is available in small squeeze tubes and in caulking gun cartridges in many of the franchise auto parts stores. It cures pretty quickly, and remains flexible for extended periods of time, which is a great thing when attempting to install a flexible rubber seal!


I would tend to steer clear of any of the silicon sealer RTV type products or household types such as aquarium sealer or bathtub or window caulking. They may remain flexible for extended periods, and some can even tolerate ultraviolet and extended weather exposure, but they tend to shear badly in thicker flexed applications, and their cure time would make application on door seals a significantly larger headache than it needs to be.

I would definitely go over the area of the door to be adhered to with a quality degreaser, to remove any contaminants such as dirt, oils, waxes, or silicon. A light scuffing with a mild textured Scotchbrite scouring pad might even be desirable to improve the adhesion to the glossy painted surface of the doors.

From my personal experience, (-sigh...) I'd suggest that you may find it quite wise to apply a masking tape along the edge of where the seal will install, to prevent strings and drops of contact cement from dropping onto the cosmetic finish areas of the door. Contact cement typically contains some pretty aggressive solvents, which would definitely eat through the glossy surface of finish paint. Consider covering any nearby upholstery and the window glass too; it's unpleasant to clean off!



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Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Ram4ever] #725157
June 29th 2017 8:16 am
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Thanks Ram.... yep, I`m surprised at the lack of response, thanks for your reply, I have just contacted the people who sold me the seals, asking if they can recommend what to use
cheers Matt

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Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #725158
June 29th 2017 9:49 am
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Get yourself a tube of windshield urethane sealant/adhesive. They will never come loose!
3M Urethane - Amazon

Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #725188
June 30th 2017 7:48 am
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I've used 3M 08008 adhesive on many other projects and it works great although a bit messy. I plan on using it for my van seals too.


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Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #727799
September 13th 2017 10:01 pm
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I'm dealing with this issue on a 1971 Chevy G10. I am trying to do all the seals for both front doors, back doors, and sliding door. I have no idea what the van originally came with or how it was done, it's hard finding accurate info on the internet it seems. There are door seals that are the correct shape to fit, but they have little plastic clips all the way around so I would have to drill a ton of holes to mount them, and still have to use adhesive to ensure a good seal. There are also some rails that I could put some of the gutter channel like weather strips, but they don't go all the way around the doors. So looks like just using an adhesive and a strip will work best for me. Anyone know of a good way to remove previous adhesive and gunk from the doors without stripping or chipping the paint?

Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: discountpirate] #728064
September 20th 2017 11:19 pm
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If you figure it out, let me know. I've got a 78 g20 that needs new window and door seals.

Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #728082
September 21st 2017 10:34 am
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The holes are already there under the old rubber.


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Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #728201
September 25th 2017 6:05 pm
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On my '71 G10 there are no holes around the door frames for the strip. It appears that it came that way, I do not see any evidence of holes or filling. Like I said I could drill a bunch of holes, but that would just open it up to rust, and even when using the holes you would still use a sealant. If anything I might drill a few holes around just to help line things up and keep it in place, and then remove the rest of the unused clips and seal it down. Is there any literature, pictures or diagrams anywhere to know what was originally done in 1971?

Re: door seal rubbers all round [Re: Matman] #728215
September 25th 2017 9:22 pm
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I put new rubber seals on my rear cargo doors last year and was hoping the sun would help with the stiffness of the rubber seal. The passenger rear cargo door is noticeably sticking out about 1/4 inch. The door will shut and lock, but looks funny and is not even with the drivers side cargo door. I'm wondering if I got a bad seal.


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