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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
Virtual #444592 February 08th 2011 8:29 pm
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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
Virtual #444623 February 08th 2011 10:20 pm
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Exactly what you said Dave. vanning.com is a tool. Maybe a group of reps from here to voice concerns, comments, issues, etc. But I think the variety of persons on the site would cause caos with a lit of things. If vanning.com were to get a voting position, how could one or a few people, be voted resposible for making a decision if not thoroghly discussed before voting? There are way too many people involved IMO. To do this at this point, with the way things are presently run.


For instace: at this C of C a vote will be taken for where the Nationals will be next year. If you and Doug are the only 2 reps from vanning.com at the C of C, then the whole vote is up to you. Would you want to be responsible for the voice of 4300 vanners on here to make that descision without a discussion?

I wouldn't!

I say keep it as a tool, for now!


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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
Virtual #444635 February 08th 2011 11:20 pm
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CORRECTION!!!! At this year's C of C a vote will be taken as to where the Council of Councils will be next year. The C of C has NOTHING to do with where the Nationals are. It is simply a coincidence that we meet at the same time and accept bids for the following Nats. Just wanted to clear that up. There have been many years of confusion. The National Truck-In Board and the Council of Councils are two separate, independent, entities.

And, on the actual subject of this thread, I think that last years simulcast and Q and A session went extremely well, and enabled online vanners to be a part of everything. Looking forward to even better participation this year!


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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
Virtual #444637 February 08th 2011 11:28 pm
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Well said Ken and I will add this also---
(and I am NOT trying to slam or berate anyone that visits or uses this site!)

vanning.com has many members and as Ken said that would make it a difficult responsibility to uphold. Also, some of the members here are not fully informed or involved in what we do as clubs/councils over a Vanning season and either would not be interested in what happens, or, as we have seen, not have a full understanding of the repercussions of a vote one way or another because of the lack of involvement of their Vanner activity in the world of eVANt attendance and hosting.
Council was started so that everyone could learn new ways to promote organized Vanning and to get the eVANt dates out so they didn't compete with each other so much.

Personally, I like that we have vanning.com to use as a tool and a discussion platform for different ideas and thoughts.
I do not think we should lose that option. I do think that Dave can do a lot of good, as he has, by using his tech smarts to help keep us informed and anyone can use this tool for information as long as they sign in!

So, I opened up the worms and I will accept that--
just don't kick me while I'm standing--I tip over really easy!

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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
Virtual #444640 February 08th 2011 11:32 pm
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vanning.com is a great resource for all vanners to discuss a multitude of issues surrounding vanning. The voices here cover the spectrum. Old timers, newcomers, former vanners, in a club, not in a club, van owners, former van owners, enthusiasts, keyboard vanners... but who would you be representing? As it has been said; "vanning.com is a tool" this "tool" can be used by anyone, but I don't feel it represents any of us. If vanning.com was given a seat at council, where do we draw the new line? How many other sites would want a seat and how do we judge which should and shouldn't be seated?
I think the service you offer can be a great resource for information and, as a web site, should be our source of information about what goes on at CofC, rather than a participating council. Most of the people here that need representation have it through our clubs and councils and I feel this would just be a redundancy.
I am interested in what others have to say on the subject. I think it's worth discussing.


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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
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I think I should be able to speak on the concerns and issues people post here, but I don't think I should get a vote.


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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
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Originally Posted by Astro
I think I should be able to speak on the concerns and issues people post here, but I don't think I should get a vote.


That would be my line of thought.

The access given to you & Virtual is surely a sign of how on target you've been in steering vanning.com.

Being able to carry a few common concerns or suggestions from the website membership to the COC is a wonderful acknowledgment of the value found in the contributions which vanning.com has made towards the COC's goal of the promotion and advancement of vanning.

Nevertheless, I don't think it's wise to treat a virtual community of only loosely confederated members, possessing arguably widely varied needs and motives, to the same rights and privileges as a physical community who has purposefully and carefully been assembled to achieve a common goal.

How you'll even settle on what items to select to advance in a formal setting is well beyond me. "The world" is indeed a rather large place containing a varied clientele, and many of the concerns and issues are inevitably going to be regional, if not downright personal. A "tyranny of the minority" and other such disruption is seldom far away when such impersonal entities as "The world" are given rights to the floor...

Perhaps a selection of polls like Virtual just conducted at the beginning of this thread could be used to help narrow things down, but the participation in his poll has been surprisingly lackluster thus far... and rather evenly split too! That sure makes for a tough call. If polls were used as input, should only those with a certain minimum percentage of participation or displaying a clear margin of consensus be counted?

Perhaps what should be advanced at COC is a simple request to schedule a formal debate at the *next* COC whose goal would be guidance on how virtual communities should be treated in the future. Rather than being rushed into making a decision *now*, the various councils would then have the time until the next COC to discuss the issue with their memberships and attempt to reach a consensus position to bring to the table.

OK, I'll go back to my corner now...

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Re: Vannin.com reps representing as a council ?
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Some very good thoughts passing through here. Seeing the polls are so close we will take that as a topic that needs much more discussion.

The CofC is a mystery to many vanners as we can see from some of the comments as to what actually goes on or doesn't go on. As Howard suggested please watch the simulcast to get a better of this whole process.

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