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Re: Van Definitions
Clover #316331 August 06th 2009 2:00 pm
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first the HHR is not a van. the early models are a van. the important part of the sentence is VAN. the HHR pannel is named a panel inportant word is PANEL. make sense now?


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Re: Van Definitions
Mr Truckin #316412 August 06th 2009 8:11 pm
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Ad the pre 73 windowed panels are sort of grandfathered in due to the fact that we have had several attend Nationals back in the day.


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Re: Van Definitions
on the road #316428 August 06th 2009 9:10 pm
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Yeah, understanding that it falls to the the factory nomenclature cleared things up a lot for me... the "Van-ups" were actually called a Pickup Truck in the factory literature.

It's a shame the various terms have been misused so often over the years as to blur the distinctions.

Thanks for working so hard to clear this stuff up!

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Re: Van Definitions
on the road #316451 August 06th 2009 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by on the road
Ad the pre 73 windowed panels are sort of grandfathered in due to the fact that we have had several attend Nationals back in the day.


i was following ya realy well up till here. then i got confused.

so pannel trucks are allowed in, hhr pannel truck is allowed in, "windowed" pannel trucks are allowed in, but "windowed" hhr pannel truck is not?

what im understanding is unless its a realy f-n old pannel, the only "pannel trucks" that are allowed in are full pannel.

..just playin the devils advocate for clarification. :-D cheers


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Re: Van Definitions
Clover #316505 August 07th 2009 2:36 am
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I wondered if that would be confusing...

HHRs are cars.

GM built a version that wears a "Panel" nameplate. Many vanners have bought, customized, and brought them to runs. we allow them as the contemporary panel. If Chrysler had built the PT panel that so many of us drooled over, we would allow them, too. As it is, there is a company that converts the PTs into panels, but they are still cars. No different than if you blocked the windows out on a Hyundai or whatever and called it a panel...no deal!

There has not been a US made panel sold in the States since 1972. At that time, there were panel and window versions available and they were built on Truck chassis. We allow all of those variations, just as we allow the window versions of vans.

Back in the day there were car based panel looking vehicles, also, called sedan deliveries. They are not allowed at the Nats, although a few have slipped in under the radar as recently as the Butler Nats. All of this refers only to the Nationals, not local runs.

Generally speaking, Panels have 2 doors in the back, and sedan deliveries have one door. There are xceptions with tailgates, but I said generally!

Hope this makes more sense!

And to make it more of a mess, Willys at one time made a panel truck! And we have had at least one at a Nats (Los Banos)



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Re: Van Definitions
NateB #316509 August 07th 2009 2:48 am
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I am working on a more complete list...PM me van models that you see on the street. Stick to the oddballs...not every Venture and Aerostar!

Off the top of my head:

Chev HHR Panel
Nissan NV Panel Van
Toyota Sienna
Toyota Hi Ace
Honda Odyssey
Olds Silhouette
Chev Lumina
Pontiac Trans Sport
Pontiac Montana
Buick Terrazza
Isuzu Oasis
Mitsubishi ?
Ford Transit
Ford Transit Connect
Ford Windstar
Ford Freestar
Chev Venture
Freightliner Sprinter
Mercedes Sprinter
Dodge Sprinter
Mercury Villager
Mercury Monterey
Nissan Quest
Kia Sedona
Vantage Van-Go
Chang An Tiger Truck
Bedford CF
Thames van and panel
Anglia panel
Holden Panel


Not complete, but you get the idea...Now, for the obvious...
Chevy Van
Sport Van
Beauville
Gypsy
GMC Van
Rally
Nomad (not the car...stop it!)
Econoline
VanDura
Tradesman
Voyager
Caravan
Sportsman
Grand Caravan
Aerostar
Caravan C/V
Astro
Safari
Savanna
Express

Last edited by on the road; March 24th 2010 7:36 am. Reason: more added

Howard
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Re: Van Definitions
on the road #316523 August 07th 2009 8:36 am
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I have been to 3 Nats with my Chevy Venture minivan, glad to see it made the list....lol


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Re: Van Definitions
on the road #316524 August 07th 2009 8:38 am
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on the road, that makes more sense :-)


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Re: Van Definitions
HomeBrew #316530 August 07th 2009 9:15 am
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Howard Correct me if i am wrong Astro you can ban me or delete my post isf you want.

But shouldn't a new van that is added to the list be voted on at the C of C?

I have pretty much the same list as you have except that i made a full web page with Pics on it as well. but i was told I was not alowed to post here so I stoped posting on this subject.



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