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| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 953 old hand | old hand Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 953 | first the HHR is not a van. the early models are a van. the important part of the sentence is VAN. the HHR pannel is named a panel inportant word is PANEL. make sense now?
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| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 Vanner Extraordinaire | OP Vanner Extraordinaire Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 | Ad the pre 73 windowed panels are sort of grandfathered in due to the fact that we have had several attend Nationals back in the day.
Howard "Nickels and Dymes" Midwest Vans Ltd. Vanfest Staff Ontario Federation of Vanners Rep since 1978 National Truck-In Board since 1986 First van event-a hall party...March, 1974...ain't been right since!!!!!
| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,463 Likes: 12 pooh-bah | pooh-bah Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,463 Likes: 12 | Yeah, understanding that it falls to the the factory nomenclature cleared things up a lot for me... the "Van-ups" were actually called a Pickup Truck in the factory literature.
It's a shame the various terms have been misused so often over the years as to blur the distinctions.
Thanks for working so hard to clear this stuff up!
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-It's been such a LONG TIME... BlueShift>> 1981 Dodge Ram B250 Custom Sportsman Maxi Van It's what you learn after you know it all, that counts... Are you living to work, or working to live? Learning from my own mistakes is good, learning from yours would be much better! | | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 279 enthusiast | enthusiast Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 279 | Ad the pre 73 windowed panels are sort of grandfathered in due to the fact that we have had several attend Nationals back in the day. i was following ya realy well up till here. then i got confused. so pannel trucks are allowed in, hhr pannel truck is allowed in, "windowed" pannel trucks are allowed in, but "windowed" hhr pannel truck is not? what im understanding is unless its a realy f-n old pannel, the only "pannel trucks" that are allowed in are full pannel. ..just playin the devils advocate for clarification. :-D
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| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 Vanner Extraordinaire | OP Vanner Extraordinaire Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 | I wondered if that would be confusing...
HHRs are cars.
GM built a version that wears a "Panel" nameplate. Many vanners have bought, customized, and brought them to runs. we allow them as the contemporary panel. If Chrysler had built the PT panel that so many of us drooled over, we would allow them, too. As it is, there is a company that converts the PTs into panels, but they are still cars. No different than if you blocked the windows out on a Hyundai or whatever and called it a panel...no deal!
There has not been a US made panel sold in the States since 1972. At that time, there were panel and window versions available and they were built on Truck chassis. We allow all of those variations, just as we allow the window versions of vans.
Back in the day there were car based panel looking vehicles, also, called sedan deliveries. They are not allowed at the Nats, although a few have slipped in under the radar as recently as the Butler Nats. All of this refers only to the Nationals, not local runs.
Generally speaking, Panels have 2 doors in the back, and sedan deliveries have one door. There are xceptions with tailgates, but I said generally!
Hope this makes more sense!
And to make it more of a mess, Willys at one time made a panel truck! And we have had at least one at a Nats (Los Banos)
Howard "Nickels and Dymes" Midwest Vans Ltd. Vanfest Staff Ontario Federation of Vanners Rep since 1978 National Truck-In Board since 1986 First van event-a hall party...March, 1974...ain't been right since!!!!!
| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 Vanner Extraordinaire | OP Vanner Extraordinaire Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,266 | I am working on a more complete list...PM me van models that you see on the street. Stick to the oddballs...not every Venture and Aerostar!
Off the top of my head:
Chev HHR Panel Nissan NV Panel Van Toyota Sienna Toyota Hi Ace Honda Odyssey Olds Silhouette Chev Lumina Pontiac Trans Sport Pontiac Montana Buick Terrazza Isuzu Oasis Mitsubishi ? Ford Transit Ford Transit Connect Ford Windstar Ford Freestar Chev Venture Freightliner Sprinter Mercedes Sprinter Dodge Sprinter Mercury Villager Mercury Monterey Nissan Quest Kia Sedona Vantage Van-Go Chang An Tiger Truck Bedford CF Thames van and panel Anglia panel Holden Panel
Not complete, but you get the idea...Now, for the obvious... Chevy Van Sport Van Beauville Gypsy GMC Van Rally Nomad (not the car...stop it!) Econoline VanDura Tradesman Voyager Caravan Sportsman Grand Caravan Aerostar Caravan C/V Astro Safari Savanna Express
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Howard "Nickels and Dymes" Midwest Vans Ltd. Vanfest Staff Ontario Federation of Vanners Rep since 1978 National Truck-In Board since 1986 First van event-a hall party...March, 1974...ain't been right since!!!!!
| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,670 Central Long Island Vans | Central Long Island Vans Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,670 | I have been to 3 Nats with my Chevy Venture minivan, glad to see it made the list....
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| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,207 Likes: 1 veteran | veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,207 Likes: 1 | on the road, that makes more sense :-)
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| | | Re: Van Definitions | Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 864 old hand | old hand Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 864 | Howard Correct me if i am wrong Astro you can ban me or delete my post isf you want.
But shouldn't a new van that is added to the list be voted on at the C of C?
I have pretty much the same list as you have except that i made a full web page with Pics on it as well. but i was told I was not alowed to post here so I stoped posting on this subject.
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