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Van Definitions #313465
July 30th 2009 7:44 am
July 30th 2009 7:44 am
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Western suburbs of Chicago
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The following is the list that was compiled by us several years ago. Obviously, as new vans come on the market, they can be added.

It is on the web page, part of the contract.
"The following is a list of Vehicles that would be accepted into the Nationals. This list is only to be used at the Nationals. and does not regulate what can or can not come to any local eVANt. Local eVANt attendance is governed by the host club and the custom of the area.

Type of Vehicle

Panel Truck yes

Windowed panel (pre 73) yes

Hearse/Sedan Delivery no

Van up no

Swat truck/bread truck or step van yes

Cube Van (ambulance) no

Class C no

Transvan no

Explorer motor home (dodge) yes

Ambulance/Van (not Cube) yes

VW bus yes

MPV yes

Aerostar, Windstar, Astro yes

Safari, Caravan, Voyager yes

Hand Built box/mutant Vans chassis yes

PT Cruiser no

HHR Panel yes

HHR window no

Vehicles considered vans in Foreign countries not available for sale in the US. This is a gray area and will be considered on a case-by-case basis"

This list does not specify every van in the US market, but you get the idea. We will revisit this in Wisconsin, and probably add the list of import vans for clarification.


Howard
"Nickels and Dymes"
Midwest Vans Ltd.
Vanfest Staff
Ontario Federation of Vanners Rep since 1978
National Truck-In Board since 1986
First van event-a hall party...March, 1974...ain't been right since!!!!!



Re: Van Definitions [Re: on the road] #313609
July 30th 2009 1:41 pm
July 30th 2009 1:41 pm
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Interesting Howard! Thanks for posting that. You just saved me some missteps.

I don't know very much about this topic in general, nor do I really have opinions on it, but what actually disqualifies a Van up? I was surprised to see it's not allowed. Where could I learn more about it's classification?

I've tentatively been thinking about one that's in a local yard, but since it's not OK on your list, that's strong ammo for me to skip it. (And all the attendant flak from my other half!) Same with a local Transvan I could get cheap.

Thanks again!


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: Ram4ever] #313613
July 30th 2009 1:47 pm
July 30th 2009 1:47 pm
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Brooklyn Park, Maryland, USA
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In regards to the "van ups".

Early Dodges, Fords, and Corvairs had a pickup truck version. While they share mechanicals, technically they are not vans, but pick up trucks hence not allowed at the Nats.


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: on the road] #313629
July 30th 2009 2:27 pm
July 30th 2009 2:27 pm
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Kenosha, Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by on the road


Swat truck/bread truck or step van yes



I didnt know about this one, kind of surprised


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: Lil_Ed] #313638
July 30th 2009 2:58 pm
July 30th 2009 2:58 pm
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Edison, N.J.
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I have no clue why somebody would take a perfectly good van and cut the back off and put a pickup bed on...Just buy a pick up truck then, it would be cheaper than all the custom work being done to the van and chassis.

What about a pt cruiser that they did a lot of custom work to and permanently closed the back doors and made it into a panel? (I saw one at Carlisle that looked cool...they should have made that one from the factory, but Chrysler never listens to the public)


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: 8StreetVan4] #313639
July 30th 2009 3:01 pm
July 30th 2009 3:01 pm
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I have no clue why somebody would take a perfectly good van and cut the back off and put a pickup bed on...Just buy a pick up truck then, it would be cheaper than all the custom work being done to the van and chassis.


The early Dodge (A-100), Ford (Econoline), and Corvair (Rampside/Loadside) pickups were factory built. These vans/pickups were all unibody and did not have a seperate frame. However I have seen some fools actually cut down an early Dodge van to make a pickup of it. Weird.


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: NateB] #313646
July 30th 2009 3:21 pm
July 30th 2009 3:21 pm
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Edison, N.J.
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The A-100's and all were very cool. I don't mean those, I mean the mid-80's Ford and Dodge Vans that they cut down and put a pickup bed on. But, I don't understand the people that attach thousands of cameras to the outside of a Van either---maybe its just me.


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1974 Plymouth 'Cuda (340 4-speed)
2005 Dodge Ram (HEMI)
2011 Dodge Durango

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Re: Van Definitions [Re: 8StreetVan4] #313667
July 30th 2009 4:02 pm
July 30th 2009 4:02 pm
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Bullhead City Arizona
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Originally Posted by 8StreetVan4
What about a pt cruiser that they did a lot of custom work to and permanently closed the back doors and made it into a panel? (I saw one at Carlisle that looked cool...they should have made that one from the factory, but Chrysler never listens to the public)


From the factory the registration says "car" therefore not allowed at the Nationals


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: 8StreetVan4] #313676
July 30th 2009 4:15 pm
July 30th 2009 4:15 pm
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Brooklyn Park, Maryland, USA
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Originally Posted by 8StreetVan4
The A-100's and all were very cool. I don't mean those, I mean the mid-80's Ford and Dodge Vans that they cut down and put a pickup bed on. But, I don't understand the people that attach thousands of cameras to the outside of a Van either---maybe its just me.


Ah..I see what you mean. Yeah why would someone do that.


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Re: Van Definitions [Re: NateB] #313685
July 30th 2009 4:33 pm
July 30th 2009 4:33 pm
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Dundee, Michigan
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Thanks Nate!

I thought Van ups were actually on a van frame from their size, -like a van with the rear roof cut off the way you mentioned with the mids, but hey, earlies are waaaay outside my territory!

The one I was talking about is a nice Corvair, rust in peace...

Clear skies!


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