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Tutorial: Switching from fixed to opening windows
#192422 March 27th 2008 8:08 pm
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I just did the job on my '90 and thought I would share for anybody who mat have some questions. The donor was a '96, so unfortunately it has black trim and handles so it doesnt satisfy my craving for chrome, but it functions just as intended so I forgive them for not being shiney!

When you grab the donor windows make sure you take EVERYTHING: window, hinge channel, seal and backing plate for the opening swivel. I even re-used the same hardware since it was in good shape from a newer van. If you want to tint the windows, this is also a good time before you install them, but they remove easily so it isnt that big a deal if you want to wait.

First before you remove the fixed window, run a plastic tool, I used a putty spreader, between all the seal's surfaces. that means between the seal and glass and the seal and door on both sides, this will free them from the bonding that may occur over time. Remember, you probably dont want a thousand glass cubes on the ground!
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from the inside of the door, use the spreader to pull down at the seal close to a corner and I just used my fingers to pull down the corner and some more of the sides. From here you can push lightly on the glass and keep pulling the seal away from the channel it's fixed onto.
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Keep doing this and the glass will come out quite willingly and you will be left with this:

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Notice that some holes are alreadt drilled for you, but not all of them. We will get to the drilling later.

To access one of the hinge channel holes on top of the door you need to remove a plastic cap, note the direction it goes for re-installation.
[Linked Image] Sorry for the fuzzy pic, my camera likes my car more than my van! The 2nd hole is not covered, you just need to push back slightly on the seal to get your deep socket into it.
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Install the Hinge channel with the bolts going up through the door on the outer holes. When both are installed and tight, drill the two centre holes for the screws.
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Now you're ready to install the seal top first so when you get to the bottom you can mate together the end peices using the rubber bit thats in the hollow part of the seal.

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You can either press the seal in firmly or lightly use a soft faced mallot to mate the seal firmly to the channel. This is where you should now be:
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Once again, the camera likes the car better than what I want to take a picture of, but you can see how the window fits into the hinge channel.

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Tile the window uo high and fit the channels together. You may have to press up as you swing the window down to it's resting position, it might take a few trys but it will end up swinging down if it's aligned properly.

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So you're saying "I've gone this far, now what?". Well this is what, you have to attatch the mechanism to the door! The metal plate goes behind the door and is secured by 3 screws.

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Congratulations! You now have windows that open and have serviceable spares for the rear doors if you want to keep them solid! This is also a good time to tint the spare windows, so you can install them already tinted into the rear.

Enjoy the feeling of fresh air!


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Very detailed how-to, ever thought about putting it up on youtube in the form of video, LOTS of guys like to watch that shit when there's no "Car Stuff" on T.V. Informative if your doing this job!

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hmm, maybe I'll supplement my next tutorial with a video, good idea


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Nice tutorial! Next you need to do one on welding up a big old hole in the side of a van lol


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Nice...VP...this is what we need to see more of on these forums...probably took longer to take the pics and write the steps than to do the conversion! Thanks for the effort!


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Originally Posted by Superbeast
Nice tutorial! Next you need to do one on welding up a big old hole in the side of a van lol





That one's easy, just stand back about 4 feet, and throw 5 thousand dollars at it. That's how we ended up removing the windows from mine. mad lol




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Actually I think there are 2 more cups in there, one on the other side of the table ond one propping the door open! Thanks for the kind words!


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Nice tutorial! Next you need to do one on welding up a big old hole in the side of a van lol





That one's easy, just stand back about 4 feet, and throw 5 thousand dollars at it. That's how we ended up removing the windows from mine. mad lol



$5k! eek Man I work way too cheap! :whistle:


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Originally Posted by Superbeast
Nice tutorial! Next you need to do one on welding up a big old hole in the side of a van lol


blush Thanx Ken... just laughed out loud from my cubicle! Trying to think of an explanation!

bow Verve, awesome tutorial!!! You have a gift!

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stay tuned: "Tinting windows" is coming up very soon, no video though, I dont have video editing software. I will thik abou the video for future endeavors though


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Looking good. I guess you won't be needing my pop out windows EH!! No biggy. HAve you ever tinted before?? That is one of the things I leave for the pros.


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I found the windows from a newer van when I was looking for a rad, and with the sale I decided to get them. I've tinted before, it's a pain but not TOO hard to do.


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Fortunately, tinting removeable rear windows can be done indoors on a bench, not as easy on the rest of the van.


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bowVery cool post. Nice job, and thanks for sharing!!!!!!

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I'm glad this thread got "STICKY'd"...I will be doing this soon to my 2 new 86 side doors. I already had an idea of how easy it is, but wasn't sure about the top hinge holes. And now I know. Very cool of Dodge to take some of the guess work out for us.


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yes, it's very straight forward how to install these, and they make a huge differance in the summer to keep a good breeze inside to try to keep cool


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Oh I know that about the breeze. I have pop out windows in all my doors, just not the 2 I bought from Phoenix. And i just sold 2 chrome pop outs, and the rusty doors. Now I just need to find 2 windows I took out of the other 2 rusty doors. They might be buried under the 6-8 inches of snow we now have...aaaaarg.


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no problem for me, I live in a trailer: spares go under the house lol


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Originally Posted by vervepipes
stay tuned: "Tinting windows" is coming up very soon, no video though, I dont have video editing software. I will thik abou the video for future endeavors though


The trick Ive found tinting is to use distilled water with your soap on a warm not breezy day.

Real fine steel wool and Ammonia Windex to clean the glass first too. Also tack cloth.


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Nice
I did the same thing back in the seventies with a donor van and my '73 fixed window rears. Holes were provided By Dodge and gaskets pulled right out of the donor and mine pushed right out. One thing about Dodge they made everything very easy about swapping parts They were all fitted with holes for the full upgrade and bought with options paid for. so it was easy to upgrade , because all the drilling and punching was already done. Gaskets fit on the same window openings. it was all great, I still have my old flip out rear glass, could not rid myself of them as they had a lot of old stickers from my first evants


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Very nice.I look forward to the window tinting tutorial.


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Hi All
Just did this on the barn doors of my '79 B200' following the post, what a fantasic set of instructions, thanks vervepipes!!!!. My before and after photos are below. As you can see the guy who fitted the window tint on my original windows may have got one or two air bubbles in them!

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looks better, plus now you can get some air flow

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Thanks Guys, really pleased with the new windows and as you say getting some airflow in the back is going to be a real advantage, I'm over in the UK and was lucky enough to find someone breaking a Dodge van as there not that many around and got a good deal on the windows and all the ancilleries.
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Looks good. I just done that myself to the rear doors and its amazing how much more air flow you get and they look better. Ive got a set of wheels like what you have on your van. Do you know who made them?


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Hi River Rat

Thanks fr the feedback and yes doesn't it make a difference in the airflow for the people in the back. Not 100% on the wheels as am missing the center caps, have been looking for a set of caps and the name "American Racing" comes to mind, not sure if thats the company that makes the center caps or the wheels.

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Very helpful write up, thanks!


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Just found this thread,Thanks Great info


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That was great , Lots of pix and good descriptions just right. We need more people to do this. We like to see informative , descriptive, articles like this. some think it is way to easy to write about but some really appreciate it. Take the time to do it and you will be someones hero.


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I wonder if Ford windows are similar. Pop outs would be nice on the Econoline.

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I switched the side windows on my 89 Ford from fixed to pop open windows. The holes for the hinges and latches are pre-drilled in the door frame. It is basically the same as the Dodge process. The back doors are the same process as the side.


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Hi,

Newbie here with an addition to this great post.

It's nice to have the rear pop out windows instead of the fixed ones. It's also very helpful to have the window set up for easy removal should you need to drag home some long item that is even too long for our Dodges like lumber. I suggest that you put a spot of silicone on the small metal backing plate so that it stays in place when the screws are removed to allow the window to come out. This is especially handy on finished interiors like conversion vans so the damn plate doesn't disappear and force a door panel removal. Drilling out the rivet and replacing it with a pin and cotter pin also works and is much easier on vans with interiors.

Of course don't drive your van with the rear window removed as there is a risk of CO poisoning...

Great forum.

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Thanks for this tutorial. I was wondering if this was even possible without heavy modifications to the doors, but this is much easier than I thought. I just picked up 4 nice factory tinted flip out windows from the pick n pull yesterday so I can replace the side and back on my '01. I noticed that the later model vans didn't have the 2 screws in the middle of the hinge, so drilling might not even be necessary.

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I fixed my ac this weekend, Driving with the windows down around here feels like you are driving around in a blast furnace


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Just picked up some pop out windows from a donor but the window seals were shot. I found a seal on ebay that I'll give a shot. I'll post pictures here when I get it done this spring. Thanks for the idea!



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Hi. great thread, thanks! Can I take pop out side door windows from an 80s Dodge van and put them in the rear doors of my 75 Dodge
? I searched and saw one thread that said window sizes changes in 78, but I want to be sure.
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Jams
Hi. great thread, thanks! Can I take pop out side door windows from an 80s van and put them in the rear doors of my 75? I searched and saw one thread that said window sizes changes in 78, but I want to be sure.
Thanks.


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Re: Tutorial: Switching from fixed to opening wind
Reed #737207 June 11th 2018 6:58 pm
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Hi. great thread, thanks! Can I take pop out side door windows from an 80s van and put them in the rear doors of my 75? I searched and saw one thread that said window sizes changes in 78, but I want to be sure.
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What brand of van are you working on?

Sorry, its a dodge.

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