My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics)

Posted by: piscespokerbrat

My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 10:46 pm

Well, here she is in all her glory. The guy I got it from is lucky he gave it to me. He told me several times "surface rust" only. Ya BS! Anyways, 300 six, 4 on the floor. Drove nicely up here.. 65-75 the whole way with room to spare. What else can I say? Oh there is a total of 57 pictures, give em time to load!












































Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 10:49 pm
















Posted by: Bruiserman

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 10:55 pm

Surface rust??
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


can't beat free though.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 11:22 pm

Originally Posted By: Bruiserman


can't beat free though.


No I can't. Also, it did drive 360 miles home, so the mechanics are tip top laugh
Posted by: XTReME_LiMiTzZ

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 11:44 pm

lol didnt know fred and barnie liked ford vans....

no but seriously for free..cant beat it...will need alota new metal work, none wrong with that though =)
Posted by: Starlord

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 11:49 pm

You have to remember.....the middle of a piece of metal sheet and the underside of said sheet are also surfaces. However, the natural air conditioning surrounding the dog house area is taking it a little far, unless the reference there is the rust particles and flakes that are laying on the ground around the van.....which is actually the surface of the earth so therefore, still surface rust........good luck on free though, free is always good.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 11:49 pm

I have a "friend" that says I should strip it and crush the rest. He is also one of those people that think ANYONE who drives a van outside of work is a pederass. He likes calling vans chimo wagons *sigh*. I see tons of potential with this thing. Am I wrong?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 09th 2011 11:53 pm

Originally Posted By: Starlord
You have to remember.....the middle of a piece of metal sheet and the underside of said sheet are also surfaces. However, the natural air conditioning surrounding the dog house area is taking it a little far, unless the reference there is the rust particles and flakes that are laying on the ground around the van.....which is actually the surface of the earth so therefore, still surface rust........good luck on free though, free is always good.


rofl I like your perspective on things, very nice :-) rofl
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 12:46 am

Originally Posted By: piscespokerbrat
I have a "friend" that says I should strip it and crush the rest. He is also one of those people that think ANYONE who drives a van outside of work is a pederass. He likes calling vans chimo wagons *sigh*. I see tons of potential with this thing. Am I wrong?


"walter, whats a pederass?" "STFU Donny, your out of your element here" The big Lebowski is such an awesome movie! Seriously, good luck. Buy a welder
Posted by: Uncle_Fester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 1:30 am

Quote:
Seriously, good luck. Buy a welder


Ummn BUY TWO ! You are gonna need them ! lol Is it worth saving, sure, should it be saved? Thats up to you, right now you have $0.00 in it. . . . .
Posted by: VanVida_Israel

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 2:17 am

Zero dollars,drive it as is but on the other hand it would be nice saving it, but like Fester said,that is up to you and your checkbook..
Posted by: starwars

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 8:06 am

nice find good luck with it
Posted by: Galaxy

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 9:36 am

Congratulations on the van!
Now to the rust issues, If I was you I would start putting a list together. Go around the van and write done every panel that would need to be replaced. Then do some research and see what it would cost in parts. Then double that price, and add it on for the labor. After doing this you may find it better to look for a cleaner van with no (or a blown) motor.
Anyway, good luck with your project!
Posted by: LostSheep

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 12:23 pm

Sorry to bust your bubble.....but......IMO, I wouldn't put any $$$$$ into this van. In fact, it may not even pass the State's Inspection. Free is good, but look at what you've got.....a "Rust Bucket". Unless you've got a need for a junk hauler or a daily "Beater", I'd hunt for a better van. Sorry, but that's just my opinion. Yeah, I know, just like assholes, everyones got one...... lol
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 12:30 pm

Originally Posted By: LostSheep
Sorry to bust your bubble.....but......IMO, I wouldn't put any $$$$$ into this van. In fact, it may not even pass the State's Inspection. Free is good, but look at what you've got.....a "Rust Bucket". Unless you've got a need for a junk hauler or a daily "Beater", I'd hunt for a better van. Sorry, but that's just my opinion. Yeah, I know, just like assholes, everyones got one...... lol


Thats why the post is up.. I would like opinions, suggestions, etc.. grin We don't have any inspections here. Plates are easy to do and takes about 5 minutes with a title and bill of sale and $32.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 10th 2011 12:37 pm

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
Originally Posted By: piscespokerbrat
I have a "friend" that says I should strip it and crush the rest. He is also one of those people that think ANYONE who drives a van outside of work is a pederass. He likes calling vans chimo wagons *sigh*. I see tons of potential with this thing. Am I wrong?


"walter, whats a pederass?" "STFU Donny, your out of your element here" The big Lebowski is such an awesome movie! Seriously, good luck. Buy a welder


Ya my dipstick friend uses the word pedophile.. I like the word pederass from obviously Lebowski grin I still think its a very wrong assumption though.. There IS a difference between pervert and pederass right?? LMAO
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 14th 2011 1:13 am

This is some pics I took yesterday after I pulled the panels off. As you can see it had R-11 insulation in the walls. I found no other surprises in the body. I found the floor pans around the drivers area and pass area for $105. I think I am going to buy a welder on credit and order those up. I think this would be a fun project! Plus that, and well, I cant shell out $500 for a decent body frown






Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 14th 2011 1:43 am

(1) The word is "pederast" (I know this because I am a criminal defense attorney and I have had occasion to interact with pederasts). DO a web search to find out the current and historical meanings of this word.

(2) The Big Lebowski IS an awesome movie.

(3) About the van. That van looks like it was ordered as a work van and USED as a work van. No options, bare bones, manual everything. The upside is you have a killer drive train for a Ford van. A fuel injected 300 with a four speed manual transmission is great for dependability and economy. With the right upgrades the 300 motor (especially with fuel injection) can also be a good performer. The downside is all the rust on the body. Things like the rusted out doors, front bumper, and fenders can all be unbolted and replaced with clean ones from the boneyard. The outer body rust actually isn't too bad. What really concerns me are the rusted out floors, especially at the body attachment points.

If you want to treat this van as a learning experience, then I would suggest to tackle the non-structurally-critcal areas first before you repair the body mounting points. Body panels should be available fairly cheaply to repair all areas. Get a decent wire feed and gas shielded welder to do the repairing and find a friend or relative who is a good welder to teach you the ropes.

on the other hand, I see many many body seams with rust. You rust repair should include wire brushing all the body putty out of the seams and checking for rust that is currently hidden. That van appears to literally be rusting apart at the seams. I have seen worse vehicles brought back to better-than-new condition, but you should be aware that this will be a big undertaking just to get this van watertight and safe again.

You should really carefully consider your time and other resources. However, this would be a fun project and you could really make the van yours.

Check out www.millsupply.com for replacement body panels. Or, find another free or really cheap van you can cut up for repair pieces.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 14th 2011 10:30 am

Reed, I appreciate your kind words and sound advice. This 300 in this van just gets up and boogies. I am amazed when I drop it down in 2nd and punch it with how much oomph its got! I know all the un-boltable pieces are easy to replace. The things I have been looking for are the step wells and rust. I hate when vans rust in those area's! I *think* I am going to seek and find a round headlight setup for this beast. I like how the hood has the F O R D lettering, and the chrome outline of the grill, lights, etc..

I have welded before on an old El Camino I used to own, although the beads looked like a dyslexic monkey attempted to do it. After I have been extensively reading, I have determined the welder I used to weld my bucket seat mounts was too hot. There was too much splatter, and I welded through the floor pan a few times. I also learned that you have to tack weld one area, then go to another, then fill in after it cools down, etc until it is all filled (this I didnt do, I just recently learned, oops). All in all, the mounts were very solid.

This time around, I plan on cutting the floor pan out, then cutting it into pieces, and practicing stitching the old garbage together until it looks appropriate. I read that 70 amps is about all I need for the thinness of the sheet metal. I also know I need a weld through primer, so that way my welds won't rot out. It appears there is 8 total body mounts. After I have inspected them, I have determined there are four that are needing attention. The rest of the underside looks solid. If I cannot for some reason get a decent weld, I will have chalked it up to learning, and then I will seek out a new body. That way, I can get the experience of cutting, measuring, and welding for future reference (GD that welding class I took 16 years ago seems so vague lol .)

I am very handy it seems. I have used the net extensively to learn all sorts of things. Some of them include pex tubing for an old 5th wheel trailer I used to own, how to solder, etc.. Youtube is a great source as well as doing searches! I will charge my video camera today, and I will do an extensive video of the body both inside and underside and post it tonight or tomorrow. It might be tomorrow since I dont work then.
Posted by: UTAH

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 14th 2011 12:35 pm

There is alot for this van, and alot against it. I would jerry rig the body a bit to make it safer, then run the wheels off it. When the rust gets too bad, save the driveline. Factor what you will spend in time any body panels against the cost of getting a non runner with a solid body.

The big Lebowski is an awesome movie

Good score on the van.
Posted by: GEORGI

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 14th 2011 1:46 pm

in cny we call that rust free too lol
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 17th 2011 9:49 pm

Well, I did some work on the van today. Well, I did try that is. My air compressor shut down and wouldnt restart midway through grinding. I did a walk around and have determined this is what it needs -

Front and rear bumper(s)
Both rear doors
Drivers door, passenger *might* be savable
Grill is broken
Valance panel above the front bumper
Hood (might be savable, unknown until I can grind the rust off)
Drivers Fender
Passenger Fender
Slider
A rear axle seal on the drivers side, whole drum is coated horribly

As far as rust repair -

Front floor pans all the way under both seats
Quarter patch drivers rear
Windshield pillar pass side
Drip rail in various locations
Quarter behind the slider and in front of between the doors
Rear body mounts
Misc spots in the rear interior

Now, if I factor cost in parts alone, including patch panels, I am looking at well over $500 in parts alone. This doesn't include quite a few tools that I need to buy as well to do all these repairs. I think for my sanity's sake, and times sake, I am going to keep seeking out a body. It is far easier to do a drive train swap than all of what I listed above. Not bad for free since it runs like a raped ape! Here is the link to the rust repair post if anyone is interested - http://vannin.com/threads/ubbthreads.php/topics/480917.html .
Posted by: Twisted

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 8:48 pm

Looks just like my 89 haha
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 9:37 pm

I remembered tonight I met a guy a few months back that I bought some Ford Escort parts from. Well, this guy has lots of others cars on his property. I recalled today he has a mid 80's Econo. I gave him a call and he said that it has a title issue, but we could swap doors, etc.. Soooo, long story short here, I can prolly get most of my parts cheap for this thing. I am going over tomorrow to see what we got, wish me luck!
Posted by: Wizard78

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 9:47 pm

Good Luck
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 11:17 pm

i'd honestly probably fix it, i find bodywork way easier than mechanics. No grease and no heavy lifting.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 11:43 pm

Well, if this van I have a handle on has good metal, I might be able to talk him into letting me cut a few pieces out of it. I like the idea of repairing mine. I am always anxious to learn new things, that is, at the risk of sounding like a major nerd.. lol I have always wanted to learn paint and body work. My strong side is mechanics. That and at the end, I can stand back and say "holy shit I did that." Kinda like that feeling I get when I first put an engine in, crank it up, and it fires... oooohhhhhhh ya laugh
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 11:45 pm

Originally Posted By: Twisted
Looks just like my 89 haha


Would that be the swiss cheese effect or the baby poop color?? lol
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 18th 2011 11:46 pm

Originally Posted By: GEORGI
in cny we call that rust free too lol


lol I have seen some cars come out of Mn lookin far worse than this thing is. Holy hell it is amazing they are even road safe!
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 19th 2011 1:53 am

Cool. Get everything you can from that donor van, including any little interior extras.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

I GOT PARTS!!! - July 19th 2011 8:55 pm

Made a deal today for both rear doors (rust free aside from one penny sized spot just starting at the top where the bracket screws in for the pop out window), hood, grill, high back front seats (worn, but rebuildable), factory dash clock, rear chrome around the tail lights, a tail light, and the slider (rust free, couple of parking lot dings) all swapped for $100! Oh and the rear drivers door has a ladder on it too! Saturday morning I am driving out there to finalize the deal laugh laugh I am so excited my van wont look like such a pile of shit anymore.. lol Now, I am going to order my floor pans, a welder, and an air hammer to pop factory spot welds. Now to fix that pesky air compressor.. grrrrr.. lol I found out that Rust-oleum makes a rubber under coating that I am going to pick up a few cans of to coat the frame and under belly since road salts are used like there is no tomorrow out here!
Posted by: lukester

Re: I GOT PARTS!!! - July 19th 2011 10:03 pm

Congrats on finding a donor van.Sounds like your project is off to a good start.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: I GOT PARTS!!! - July 21st 2011 10:51 pm

Originally Posted By: lukester
Congrats on finding a donor van.Sounds like your project is off to a good start.


I think I'm doing good so far. I tried to order the pans from Mill and they didn't put shipping on my order page. I had to call em and find out why my order wasnt processed yet. Found out the 3 floor pieces I ordered is going to cost me $35 for a total of $137! Ack! Well at least its coming together laugh
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 23rd 2011 11:17 pm

Well the floorpans ended up costing me $190 and change. That is for all four pieces of metal from the toe boards to the body mount directly behind the driver and passenger seats. I ordered the Campbell Hausfeld Mig Welder ( Seen Here ) and should have it within two weeks. I found a steel place in the town where I got my donor parts. I got some 16 gauge steel scraps for $15. Also, today I did the door swap, seat swap, and installed the chrome around the tailights. Here are the pics of the progress. I dont know if I am going to keep the ladder or sell it, thoughts?










Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 24th 2011 12:49 am

If ya dont have a roof rack you dont need the ladder
Posted by: Goose111

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 24th 2011 6:04 am

Originally Posted By: frscke1
If ya dont have a roof rack you dont need the ladder


But for me, a Van without a ladder and the spare-wheel on the door isn't really a Van ;-)
Posted by: Lee7673

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 24th 2011 9:53 am

Great find on the donor van...the doors look great....its all coming together.
Posted by: newkirkinc1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 24th 2011 10:09 am

Looking good,don't like ladders myself!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 24th 2011 10:13 am

Well, I have rear window louvers coming. Sooooo, I dont think the look would be right with the ladder and the louvers. Also, these doors had a spare tire carrier, but as you can see, it is long gone. I think I am going to pull ladder once the louvers arrive. I also seem to think it is just a rust magnet anyways.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 12:06 pm

Looks good. I like ladders and roof rack and spare tire carriers. If you do any camping or long trips it is nice to have some kind of cargo carrier on the roof to reduce interior clutter. Spare tire holders also reduce interior clutter and a makes getting at that roof carrier much easier. However, to each their own! Are you going to put the sliding door track cover back on?

Too bad you aren't closer. I have a set of slotted mag wheels I would give you.
Posted by: Galaxy

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 3:33 pm

Yeah, a lot of people view the ladder as a van accessory. I had one on the back of my van when I first got it. Totally useless as there is a fiberglass roof lol
So I removed it. But if you like the look (something shiny) feel free to leave it on.
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 5:23 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
If you do any camping or long trips it is nice to have some kind of cargo carrier on the roof to reduce interior clutter. Spare tire holders also reduce interior clutter



NOT IF YOU HAD A LONG VAN !
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 5:38 pm

ESPECIALLY if you have an extended van! Maxi-mize the interior space!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 6:33 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
Looks good. I like ladders and roof rack and spare tire carriers. If you do any camping or long trips it is nice to have some kind of cargo carrier on the roof to reduce interior clutter. Spare tire holders also reduce interior clutter and a makes getting at that roof carrier much easier. However, to each their own! Are you going to put the sliding door track cover back on?

Too bad you aren't closer. I have a set of slotted mag wheels I would give you.


Reed, PM me a pic, I could probably have em shipped out here for cheaper than I can find at a yard.

I dont want a luggage rack on top of my van. I decided I am going to put a receiver on the back, and I am going to build a cargo carrier for luggage, etc.. If we hauled a cooler, it can sit inside on the bed (once its built). The spare tire can either be stored under the bed, or I am going to fab up a holder under the van where the rear tank is. Thats the great thing about vans, the possibility's are endless!

The sliding door is going to be gull winged in about three weeks. I have the cover off because I am trying to figure out how to shape it to match the door (to fill in the hole from the track). I think I am going to find a donor and cut the piece out from the drivers side of an Econo. My welder is going to be here Thursday. The floor pans should be here by the end of the week as well (*checks tracking info - Oh! It looks like the pans will be here tomorrow!). I have pics I have to upload and post. I got the new hood and gill on from the donor. The grill is chrome and not painted like the old one I had.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 6:42 pm

Here is what I did Sunday in 1000000% humidity and 95 degree heat.



Cleaned up the drip rail on the drivers side -


Found a couple of gremlins after I pulled the valance panel -

Posted by: XTReME_LiMiTzZ

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 9:32 pm

comin together real nice =)
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 9:34 pm

Ty Xteme laugh
Posted by: XTReME_LiMiTzZ

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 9:41 pm

welcome =)
Posted by: James_Black

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 10:27 pm

OHH MAN...I saw this thread and it gave me the bug all over again. Now I want to get another van. Damn it.



Your doing awesome by getting parts from a donor van.
Cuts half of that body work.
Keep up us posted.
Posted by: XTReME_LiMiTzZ

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 26th 2011 11:55 pm

lolol.....its something thats in ur blood no matter wat..
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 27th 2011 1:27 am

I hear that! I have had sooooo many vans.. I was itchin to get another! I sold a very reliable Mazda I had for this Econo.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 28th 2011 1:51 am

The floorpans and metal arrived today!!! Needless to say, I am not very happy with Mill Supply and how they packaged these up. At least this will cure my Flinstone mobile!






Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 28th 2011 10:22 pm

Well, I got a bunch of delivery's today. One of them is my Mig welder laugh laugh This weekend work begins on the van!! I am both excited and scared shitless on this endeavor. Tomorrow after I get off of work, I am gonna take it down to the car wash and pressure wash the whole underbelly. That way, after I do the new pans, I can start the coating to protect it from the road salts in this place!
Posted by: Carlton

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - July 28th 2011 10:59 pm

Looks like you're having fun.

I spent a little time on my project today but I'll hold off on the photos until I get it all done [well, not all done, just what I started].

Enjoy!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 16th 2011 11:28 pm

Well guys I spent around $250 bucks today on stuff. I decided on Manville R-13 bats for the walls and reflectix (sp?) for the floor under the plywood. I couldnt find the plastic wrapped ones, but oh well I suppose *shrugs*. This is the same type of stuff that came out, and will go back in. It was cheap, and it will work for as long as I need it too. I am going with 7/16 OBX for the floor.. again not a show vehicle, only functional. I also got the sliding door bar installed, so now it does open and close as it should. The doors sounds like crap because I think the upper wheel isnt rolling, only dragging. I also got the miniblinds for the slider installed. These came out of the donor van from a while back. I got the factory lowbacks installed in the mid section for the kiddo's. One is busted on one side, but I have it propped up with a piece of pvc pipe as you can see. One piece at a time.. one piece at a time.. well without much further ado here is todays damage to my CC's...




The carpet color is called "chocolate brown." It has a built in pad on the back. This 12x7 piece cost $59.25.

Here is another angle of the carpet..


This pack is foil faced insulation for the ceiling..

Floor insulation..

Seats and how I mounted them.. underneath I layed 2 piece of steel across each other and bolted the seats up like that..

Drivers side ..

Passenger under..


Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 16th 2011 11:36 pm

Looking good. Keep it up!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 16th 2011 11:41 pm

Probably inconsequential, but those rubber mats I have on the floor by the mid seats, I picked em up at a yard sale last weekend for $2 laugh
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 16th 2011 11:41 pm

Ty Reed!
Posted by: Lee7673

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 17th 2011 8:37 am

Jeremy,
Keep it up.....it will all come together!
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 17th 2011 8:58 am

Cool, starting to take shape! Good job!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 17th 2011 10:32 am

Ty Lee & dragg! This is gonna be a quick n dirty interior in that I am planning to have it done by the 23rd. We'll see how it turns out, stay tuned!
Posted by: Superbeast

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 17th 2011 2:12 pm

Looks like you are ready to dig in and Git-R-Done!
Posted by: HighwayStar

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - August 17th 2011 6:08 pm

Keep the up-dates coming....looking forward to more progress pics Jeremy.. smile
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 2:49 pm

So, I am installing the new WP and thermostat in the van today.. and I hear this "snap" as I was installing the upper water neck for the rad hose. I thought nothing of it of course, that is, until I started the van. Boy she did sound MUCH better at idle, but then, it started leaking at the neck. Apparently, I snapped the ear off the drivers side of the water neck. I took the neck out, and I JB welded the neck and clamped it. I am hoping this can hold up to a week of around town driving until I get the new parts in *crosses fingers*. I am putting in a new radiator (old one has fins falling out of it), electric cooling fan (might put that on hold until spring), upper & lower rad hoses, serpentine belt, a 160 degree thermo, and of course flushing the whole system out to prepare for winter.
Posted by: Carlton

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 2:55 pm

Originally Posted By: piscespokerbrat
............. to prepare for winter.


winter, what's that?

LOL! Sorry to hear that ~ I know it sucks.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 2:59 pm

Winter is 8 months of snowy hell with temps down to -40 at times *shivers*. lol
Posted by: frscke1

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 3:01 pm

The winter here is some light rain....its going to get 100 tues & wed....time to go to the beach....THE HOTTER IT IS THE LESS THE GIRLS WARE...
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 4:18 pm

Well so far after an hour and a half of baking in the sun, the JB stuff on the neck is dry to the touch. I just ordered the new neck to the tune of a whole $2.44 from Amazon lol
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 7:02 pm

winter here lasts about 2 weeks.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 7:56 pm

*packs and moves to Orlando* rofl Is it as piss humid in Orlando as the Miami/Dade areas?

Back on topic.......... After 5 hours of baking.. I attempted to put it on... pffffftttttttt NO GO!!! There was a screw in pipe for the heater core hose, and I attempted to unscrew it.. hahahahaha NOPE! I took my hammer and busted the living sh*t out of the housing encasing said screw in pipe until it broke thus freeing the accessory pipe. Van is down until Wednesday when I get the new neck in. I believe the new Rad will be here too as well laugh The ol battle axe is gonna love me for all this, plus the new rubber to the tune of $450... eep! I need rims tho.. hubcaps suck!!
Posted by: lukester

Re: Oh crap.. I screwed the pooch today - September 05th 2011 8:01 pm

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
winter here lasts about 2 weeks.

yeah
Love them FL winters.

That's the only thing I don't miss about Jersey...
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Wheels!!!! - September 07th 2011 11:50 pm

yay yay yayIVE GOT WHEELS!! yay yay yay

I called the guy tonight, and he let me do a Paypal deposit of $25 to hold the wheels until tomorrow at 6pm when I get to go pick them up laugh laugh laugh

Here is pics of them, I have no clue about the rubber yet. I am going to assume rubber is shot. We will see!

Without further ado.. the crappy pics I jacked off of CL to show y'all...


Posted by: VanPLan

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 12:27 am

back at it I see...nice wheels.

shift
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 12:37 am

Originally Posted By: FrictionAffect
back at it I see...nice wheels.

shift


Im always at it laugh I just have to pace myself now.. stay tuned as this thing will continue to transform...
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 12:48 am

Right now, I am in the midst of replacing the water pump, thermostat, radiator, and hoses. I was putting the water neck back on when there was a SNAP. I didnt know I lost an ear to the neck until water started gushing out. JB Weld wouldnt hold until I got the new neck, so right now, the van is sitting. Everything will be here Friday thankfully. Funny thing was, the neck was a 1/4" away from the head when it happened. How do you explain that one? *scratches head*

I did simple green the engine twice. That grease is so caked on there, I think the only remedy is to pull the engine and have it hot tanked!!! Of course, that is not going to happen anytime soon. For now, I am taking all of this experience, and I will apply it to the next Econo one day. I am just thankful I have a decent running van with one of Ford's best motors ever made.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 1:24 am

Good looking rims! Glad you found some. Try taking the van to a coin-op carwash and blasting the grime off the motor.
Posted by: I_am_new

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 7:58 am

not sure how I miss this topic, but heres my $0.02 any way. I love you'r van, I wish I could find one in that knida shape around me at a good price, cant beat free tho lol, around here they want $1.500 for van NOT as nice as yours and for sure not a 4 speed, veary nice find, if you ever want to sell it hit me up lol
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 9:17 am

Originally Posted By: I_am_new
not sure how I miss this topic, but heres my $0.02 any way. I love you'r van, I wish I could find one in that knida shape around me at a good price, cant beat free tho lol, around here they want $1.500 for van NOT as nice as yours and for sure not a 4 speed, veary nice find, if you ever want to sell it hit me up lol


What I did is put an ad up on CL essentially saying "Wanted 70's or 80's Ford or Dodge Van with a 6cyl." The story on this van goes, this guy in Colorado contacted me about a van he has and that he would take $500 for it. Fast forward 6 weeks, several 20-30 minute phone calls shooting the breeze, etc.. and my impatience on him taking action on getting it up here to me. Eventually he understood that I would be doing a lot of work to it, and that I should invest the $500 he would take into making it nice. I just wish I didnt have to do the floor pans, but it is what it is. You should try that. Put an ad up saying "Wanted Ford Van body from '75-91" .. then put that you dont have much to spend, work out trade etc.. it may take some time depending on your area, but the key is not giving up. I had my ad up for a few months before I hit this one.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 9:18 am

Originally Posted By: Reed
Good looking rims! Glad you found some. Try taking the van to a coin-op carwash and blasting the grime off the motor.


Thank you Reed! If I take it down to the coin op, I am gonna make sure I park it at the curb for a little while. I dont wanna crack any exhaust manifolds.. lol
Posted by: I_am_new

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 10:11 am

I had a add up for a while "LOOKING for work vans" runing or not all i got was a few 99 carevans asking 5k I said no thanks lol, might try it agian
Posted by: wookee

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 10:43 am

Some times you just have to get in there with a small scraper/putty knife and scrape off the heavy crud build up.Then use the chemicals.

I worked at a self serve car wash for a few year when I was a pup.Saw allot of guys come in and use the bays to clean engines.Never saw any one crack a manifold.....
I did have to clean up the freaking grease they left behind.....LOL

......Wookee
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 08th 2011 11:06 am

I have pressure washed numerous motors dozens of times while the motor was running. Never any damage.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 7:57 pm

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! I wonder why I am on this planet sometimes!!!!! I got the thermo housing in... started it up.. got her warm to open the thermo... and I noticed the screw in plug leaking. So i shut her down.. tighten that damn screw and guess what??? BUsted the sensor clean off the pipe heading to the heater core!!! I go to restart and she just cranks and cranks and cranks.. well after a few she fired with a heavy smell of fuel. *Sigh* Nothing goes right for me .. *puts kick me sign on back* have at it boys... and girl...
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 8:12 pm

The coolant temp sensor is a critical component of Fords EFI system. I am not surprised it wouldn't start ad then ran really rich. It should be fairly cheap and easy to replace, especially on a 300.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 8:28 pm

Ya I have been doing research on this thing. I found out there is a single pole for the gauge, and then there is this sensor. I found it at Oreilly's for $15 and change. I'll get it swapped out tomorrow.. its been a long day!!

This sensor is even critical with the speed density system?
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 8:46 pm

Absolutely. Both the speed density and MAF systems rely on the engine temp sensor as one of the three or four core sensors to establish the parameters of timing and injector pulse width.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 9:01 pm

So that explains why the ol girl just cranked. Ok next Q, how do I adjust the start up idle speed? She feels like she hits 2500 or so at a cold start.
Posted by: maples01

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 9:11 pm

High idle can be a vacuum leak and/or throttle position sensor failure.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 11:32 pm

Yep. Not much you can do on a fuel injected motor. The computer controls everything. I would start hunting for a vacuum leak like maples suggests.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 09th 2011 11:51 pm

Vacuum leak - check! I'll go over everything before I start the ol girl tomorrow (after I replace that *insert many curse words here and new ones I make up* sensor that snapped clean off). Why is it you think a simple job that *should* take x amount of time turns in a 5 day ordeal. Sheesh! Ah well, I can't wait to drive her again.. missing my foot rest and clutch!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 12:16 am

Well I got the new wheels home last night. I was right in that the rubber is shot. There is one that has good tread, but has age cracking. These wheels are stamped 15x8 on the back. I have another set of wheels and tires I am considering buying for the rubber alone. I have pics of all that. I also got the new radiator. Sorry for the crappy pic, it was getting dark out! I'll get better pics tomorrow.


Gotta love my truck!! rofl Drove these back 60 miles like that..




Here is the other set of wheels and tires. These are gonna set me back $275.





Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 12:41 am

Nice. 15x8 is a good size.
Posted by: wookee

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 7:52 am

Originally Posted By: piscespokerbrat
Why is it you think a simple job that *should* take x amount of time turns in a 5 day ordeal. Sheesh! Ah well, I can't wait to drive her again.. missing my foot rest and clutch!


Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.......
This is one of the main reasons I dislike doing mechanical work.Unexpected set backs ether engineer related ,age related.If some thing unexpected can go wrong, it usually can and will.......

At least with welding fabrication work, and body work. I can start on something and not have to stop until the job is done.Little to no trips into the unexpected........
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 11:02 am

I agree Wookee! That is one thing I have always learned in my 25 years of working on cars. I just expect things to go right, then get really mad when they dont lol
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 11:44 am

Are you keeping receipts to see what your free van will cost in the long run ?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 2:52 pm

Well, I got the new coolant temp sender installed. I hit the key and she seemed to start easier and with a lower RPM than before. This makes me wonder if this switch was operating correctly or not before. I am about to go drive her over to a co-oworkers house where I am fixing her car next.. lol Pictures later folks!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 2:54 pm

Originally Posted By: frscke1
Are you keeping receipts to see what your free van will cost in the long run ?


I do have a folder with the receipts. I don't think cost is the issue for me (for HER it is). I find that the interior work is priceless in itself since what I gain and learn from. I'll do a tally later for poops n giggles and see where I am at.
Posted by: ScarletteWidowDodge

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 4:36 pm

Cant believe I missed this build thread. Nice van for the price,and nice work so far. I paid $150 six years ago for my really rust free dodge (rear barn doors and a small spot below fuel door was all) because of all the mechanical issues. I would rather do mechanical work because that is what I know. However, with mechanical stuff, you cant get overly creative without investing sometimes large sums of money. Body work, I hate it. But this summer I started to do real cutting and welding work and while infuriating, its fun. You will love the looks you get when you finally get those looks, and people point your van out as you drive past. Enjoy it and get to a truckin and see other vans up close for lots of inspiration.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 5:46 pm

Originally Posted By: downie519
Cant believe I missed this build thread. Nice van for the price,and nice work so far. I paid $150 six years ago for my really rust free dodge (rear barn doors and a small spot below fuel door was all) because of all the mechanical issues. I would rather do mechanical work because that is what I know. However, with mechanical stuff, you cant get overly creative without investing sometimes large sums of money. Body work, I hate it. But this summer I started to do real cutting and welding work and while infuriating, its fun. You will love the looks you get when you finally get those looks, and people point your van out as you drive past. Enjoy it and get to a truckin and see other vans up close for lots of inspiration.


You and me both when it comes to mechanics!! I come from an area where there is NO rust to an area with tons of it. I plan on doing the rest of my vans body work next summer. That way I have something to do throughout the summer. I appreciate your kind words. I am doing the best I can with the best I have at this time in life. One day when I am mr big cpa man and making 6 figures, I'll make sure to have the best of the best for doing stuff!

I am planning on going to Wisconsin next year for NATS. I figure if I do one evAnt, that is gonna be it!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 5:48 pm

Well the ol girl is back up and running. She appeared to start better, and she appears to drive better too. Tomorrow I am going to change the radiator and rad hoses out. I am also in the planning stages of getting rid of that damn stock air box. I am gonna drop a K & N cone filter in there laugh A lot of this intake is going to be custom made! ;-)
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 8:13 pm

Um, I hate to be a party pooper, but K&N is a waste of money, especially in a street driven vehicle. Just get a good quality stock air filter and leave the stock air box alone. There are better things to spend your money on.

Read about a real-life comparison test HERE

and

HERE
Posted by: lukester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 8:30 pm

I have been pretty happy with the K&N filter in my 5.0 but like every thing else there are pros & cons.

keep up the good work cheers
Posted by: ScarletteWidowDodge

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 10th 2011 9:30 pm

I have to agree with Reed on the K&N thing,but as lukester says pros and cons to both. You have to make the choice. Its your van. You have to go with what you like. The input from vanners is great, the experience of these guys is invaluable, but in the end, you have to like your ride.
I happen to like the look of the ladder on the back as well as the rear tire carrier. I have the rear barn doors and have the louvers as well. However if you are one Facebook and look up Scott W. Kauffman, he has a sweet chevy, Emerald Express. His spare tire is actually used as an ottoman in the passenger compartment. You can add me on facebook (J. Daniel Downie) I have lots of pic of my van. After Keystone, I will post pics of my latest body mod. Its the body work where real creativity happens!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 11th 2011 1:37 am

Ok, I will admit I just threw a name out there. I didn't really mean a K & N per se! I was looking at the stock air box and realizing the air intake starts at the lower right passenger side, then works up into the box, goes across the engine (which the box sits directly above the radiator, aka heat source), then curves back at the drivers side to run to the intake. What my plan entails is running 2 to one then turning down to the drivers frame rail where there would be a cone filter. The things that come to mind is this, the stock rubber hoses have creases in them, thus it would seem it would restrict air flow to the engine. With my idea the tubes would be completely smooth inside. Another thing is, less twists and turns and a shorter route for the air to get to the intake. So, essentially I would shorten and smooth out the air path. Does that make sense? Cost wise, I dont think more than $40 for it all.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 11th 2011 1:37 am

Originally Posted By: lukester
I have been pretty happy with the K&N filter in my 5.0 but like every thing else there are pros & cons.

keep up the good work cheers


Thank you Luke! cheers
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 11th 2011 10:48 am

Check out my post about swapping my 89 from a 302 to a 351 HERE I HAD to come up with a way to go from the double barrel throttle body down to a single air intake tube. It isn't as easy (or cheap) as you would think.

The stock air box actually does a god job of keeping sound down, keeping the air cool (it has the snorkel that sucks in cold air from above the battery), and providing good filtration. The generic cone filters you find at auto parts stores are loud and don't provide as good of filtration as the stock air filter. Again, I hate to be a wet blanket, but I would leave the stock air filter system alone.

One of the downsides of a fuel injection motor, especially a speed density injection system like is on your 300, is that you can't do much customizing without having to buy expensive tools or chips. Remember that the engine control computer has a preprogrammed set of parameters it bases your timing and fuel mixture on. If you go changing the characteristics of the motor (even changing the thermostat away from the factory specified temperature rating) the computer will consider that an error and start "correcting" timing and fuel mixture to compensate. This typically means error codes, default to limp-in mode, poor performance, and poor fuel economy. The speed density system is very limited in how much it can adapt to modifications. I know some people have been very careful in picking high performance components and keeping their speed density computers happy, but that costs lots of money and is usually done to 302. 302s have a much larger aftermarket support base than do 300s.

I recommend you focus on getting the motor running as good as possible in stick form, and then save up to do the best modification possible, switching to MAF based fuel injection. That swap won't be cheap (I would say between $700-$1000+), and you may decide you are happy with a stock motor. It is your van, your money, and your choice, I am just trying to offer you my viewpoint based on how much time, money, and research I have spent learning about Ford fuel injection systems in vans.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 11th 2011 9:56 pm

Ok people.. take a guess at who broke the Ignition Control Module tonight while adjusting the distributor while cruising down the road??? Good god I cannot believe my luck. I drove the thing down to the store with the mutt hut off. I discovered HEAVY pinging under load, OOPS! So, I loosened the dist lock nut and gave her a turn, still pinged, so I gave a dif turn, still pinged.. gave a push with the foot so I didnt have to pull over.. SNAP .. coast and die in the middle of the road. Luckily I was a few blocks from home.. so I had the ol lady come get us.. went and got the tow strap, hauled it in with the Escort. The ol lady got a lesson today on how to tow! I dont know who was more nervous, her or I!! rofl I have pics I will upload later, right now I have to get some homework done. BTW.. feel free to cast stones, drop an anvil on me, run me over.. I dont think I would mind!

Distributor - I put the dist back in one tooth off (forward). I thought hmmmmm if it pinged one way and the other I thought the timing was off. So I bumped the engine around, checked the mark on the crank, checked the position of rotor and it is about 20 degrees before TDC now. Could it be that thing engine ran two teeth off? Or was the dist way out of wack? The thing sounded like a sewing machine with how quiet it was at idle, but under load heavy pinging. How can that be?
Posted by: vanfun

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 11th 2011 10:50 pm

try running high test mite make a small diff.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 12:09 am

High test?
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 12:48 am

Oi. The base timing on Ford fuel injected motors is not something you should mess with. The timing is controlled by the computer. You need to disconnect the SPOUT connector and set your base timing to 10 BTDC, lock down the distributor AND DON'T TOUCH IT.

It isn't like the old carbed engines where the timing control was completely independent of the carb and you could play with base timing, advance curves, and vacuum advance. The computer controls it all and isn't happy when you play with it. Setting the timing anything other than stock specs make the computer try and compensate and it screws everything up.

Time to school you a bit about Ford fuel injection. you can't be working on your fuel injected motor thinking it is like a carbed motor. At best, you will waste time and money, at worst, you will damage something.

First, learn how to run a self-test of your engine systems HERE. The factory computer does a fair job diagnosing problems it has, and you can get the trouble codes and run the tests very easily without special tools.

Once you have codes, see what they mean HERE and HERE

Here is how you set your base timing. Your 300 has an EEC-IV ignition system.

There is loads of free info about the Ford EFI systems on www.fordfuelinjection.com. It is worth your while to spend some time reading some of those articles and learning about your fuel injection and ignition systems.

Good luck, and don't be afraid to ask questions.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 1:08 am

I about ducked when I saw you posted Reed :-) . I knew you had plenty of know how when it comes to the Ford FI. I am gonna read up on all that. Then tomorrow, I am going to set it and forget it. The guy I got this van from had a "mechanic" replace the Ignition Control Module once before. Then he not the mechanic thought about turning the distributor to make it run right. Ok long story short, I am going to be cleaning up someone's mistake here. Ah well, I am happy all this piddly annie sheet is getting done so I dont have to worry about it! Thank you for all your help and posts Reed!
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 1:31 am

Hey, I am happy to share what I have learned through hard experience. If I can keep someone from making the same mistakes I have, I consider myself a success.
Posted by: aftoyboy

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 1:48 am

Just read this entire post and wow, lots of ups and downs but looks like you're doing a fantastic job keep up the hard work hopefully I too can do up my van project once I start getting paid.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 6:36 pm

Thanks for the kudo's aftoyboy.

Well today I got the new part from Napa to the tune of $40. I just put it in around 2:15 today. I was so excited to hear the ol girl purr again laugh After dinner, I am going to go out and time her correctly. Tomorrow, I am also going to get the new (used) rubber put on that I picked up today. I picked up a set of four 235/75/15 Firestone Destination LE's with about 65% tread for $75. Well, that is about it for now. I will update later!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 9:11 pm

Reed, I took the Dist out and put it back the way it was when I took it apart (one tooth back). I then started it where I thought #1 was. It started, sputtered and died. I then turned the dist counter clockwise and she fired and idled. I then determined that the #1 plug wire location was wrong on the cap. So I bumped the wires back one terminal (counter clockwise) on the cap and reset the dist to where it should be. She fired and purred. I got the light on it and didnt see the mark. So, I put some paint on the mark and lined her up. After I plugged the spout connector in, I checked the mark and it looked like it was about 12-15 BTDC. I also gave her a rev, she felt a little tight. So tomorrow after I drive her, I might loosen her up just a pinch. I'll upload new pics here in a little bit.. thanks for all the wisdom!
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 12th 2011 11:31 pm

The timing mark is supposed to advance a bit after the SPOUT is plugged back in. That means the computer is controlling the timing.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 1:20 am

Well, I double checked the timing after I drove it around town. Everything is spot on!! She runs so good. Every time I start her I am just in awe!! Anyways.. I have a question regarding the kick panel vent on the drivers side. Every time it rains hard, it leaks on the interior (which is how the floor rusted out I bet). How do I get this thing out to re-seal without pulling the whole bloomin dashboard? I have been so incredibly busy, I havent had the time to get pictures uploaded, sorry guys! I'll try to find tomorrow sometime. I have to put the radiator in the Escort, study for a test Monday in my business law class, and write up a rough draft of my resume, phew! Tomorrow is gonna be busy busy!
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 1:28 am

What kick panel vent? You might have a leaky windshield but I have never seen a kick panel vent in a 75-91 Ford, even ones without A/C. Then again, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. Can you post a picture?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 1:36 am

Sooooo.. the new radiator is a little bit bigger than the old one. The new rad hose was a little too short after I trimmed it to match the old one. Hmmm what a predicament. SO, I will let the pictures tell the story of what I did.

Here is the old radiator..




Old and new ..




So, as I mentioned, I fashioned this..

From this...


New rad from the front..








Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 1:39 am

Reed, I'll get a pic tomorrow when I have light.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 11:41 am

Here is a pic of the vent. I circled the area and pointed to where it drips between the wall and plastic. There are 4 screws I see, 3 of which are accessible.

Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 1:03 pm

Huh. I've seen those on Dodges, never on a Ford. I learn something new every day. If water is dripping out of that are, then I would track down where that vent gets its air supply and check for leaks there. I know on may Mopar vehicle that have a similar vent (NOT the vans though), the vent draws its air from the cowl area under the wipers. This is also a common area for rust to leaf and debris buildup. The debris buildup causes the cowl to rust out and causes serious water leaks through the floor vent. I doubt that your van draws its fresh are from the cowl though. I would check the firewall and windshield for leaks.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 9:37 pm

We have new radius arm bushings and wheels/tires!! I'll post pics of the damage that I fixed today tomorrow at some point.









Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 10:44 pm

Looking good. Keep at it.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 11:14 pm

Ty Reed, I looked back at how she was when I got her to now. I can see I have accomplished a lot. There is so much to do, but I will chip at it bit by bit.
Posted by: chevyvan93

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 11:54 pm

Looks great, your van looks like mine except mines a shorty. I took off the chrome around windshield and it was full of leaves and sticks, and something i didnt know but under the chrome , theres a hole in each corner to get rid of the water, it drains down into the cowl area, they need to be kept clean i was told.
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 18th 2011 11:59 pm

cool, definitely making headway on it!
Posted by: maples01

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 4:41 am

Non AC Econoline's had vents Reed, a friend in school had a nice E-150 shorty with a 351w in it, had a couch in the back along the drivers side wall, no seat belts, was from his grandma's house. LoL
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 11:41 am

Ah, thanks. I guess I just haven't been looking close enough.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 12:59 pm

Originally Posted By: chevyvan93
Looks great, your van looks like mine except mines a shorty. I took off the chrome around windshield and it was full of leaves and sticks, and something i didnt know but under the chrome , theres a hole in each corner to get rid of the water, it drains down into the cowl area, they need to be kept clean i was told.


I'll check that out, thanks for the tidbit!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:00 pm

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
cool, definitely making headway on it!


I have made a ton of headway on it.. lol This definitely is not the same POS I got a few months back, that is for sure!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:01 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
Huh. I've seen those on Dodges, never on a Ford. I learn something new every day. If water is dripping out of that are, then I would track down where that vent gets its air supply and check for leaks there. I know on may Mopar vehicle that have a similar vent (NOT the vans though), the vent draws its air from the cowl area under the wipers. This is also a common area for rust to leaf and debris buildup. The debris buildup causes the cowl to rust out and causes serious water leaks through the floor vent. I doubt that your van draws its fresh are from the cowl though. I would check the firewall and windshield for leaks.


I have this feeling I might have to pull the drivers fender, and if that is the case, I am gonna wanna change the whole front end (look out for that angry g/f, you think shes pissed now.. lmfao).
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:02 pm

Originally Posted By: maples01
Non AC Econoline's had vents...


That is quite interesting. My donor van I got parts from had A/C, but I dont recall if it had the vent or not.. hmmmm...
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:17 pm

Probably not a bad idea. Once you get the new front end swapped on, get some fine grade sandpaper and some of those Dupli-Color rattle cans and paint the van all one color. Your lady friend might not be so negative about the van if it was all one color.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:22 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
Probably not a bad idea. Once you get the new front end swapped on, get some fine grade sandpaper and some of those Dupli-Color rattle cans and paint the van all one color. Your lady friend might not be so negative about the van if it was all one color.


She *claims* she likes it ( I call BS) but anyways, I think her problem as she tells me is the $ going out on it. I am in the ol girl now about a grand with all the parts I have put on (rough guess). I estimate probably another grand out for front end, misc parts, paint and finishing the interior walls. The seats are a different story. I might stuff new foam in them and throw seat covers down. That way they are good to go for awhile.
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:38 pm

Ask her what color she would like it painted so she would just go for a ride in it...notice I said RIDE...after she rides in it she just might like to DRIVE it....then you have her hooked.....finger's X
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 19th 2011 1:48 pm

As far as seats go, try finding a good pair of seats at your local Pick-A-Part junkyard. Most any buckets can be made to work with a little creativity.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Axle seal? - September 20th 2011 8:04 pm

I have an appointment tomorrow to take the ol girl in to the guy who did my tire swap to do the drivers rear axle seal(drum and old wheel soaked with fluid, drum fresh, wheel crusty, indicating this has been leaking for awhile). He quoted me in the $100's to do both sides excluding parts. He also suggested some red lock tight for the bolt in the pumpkin. Is there anything I should be aware of for this repair? Fluids? Anything?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:05 pm

Originally Posted By: frscke1
Ask her what color she would like it painted so she would just go for a ride in it...notice I said RIDE...after she rides in it she just might like to DRIVE it....then you have her hooked.....finger's X


She wants to jump me in it... I have been resisting.. lmao
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:06 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
As far as seats go, try finding a good pair of seats at your local Pick-A-Part junkyard. Most any buckets can be made to work with a little creativity.


Ya I like Pete's (highwaystar) Benz seats he found for his shorty drool
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:14 pm

Uh, why? yay
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:34 pm

The resistance?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:48 pm

Reed, do you have a diagram of how to do the rear axle seal(s)? I am thinking I cannot afford (read angry g/f) to do this repair at the shop.
Posted by: c1run1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 8:59 pm

got to hand it to ya she's comming along just fine .
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 20th 2011 9:07 pm

Thank you C1.. wait til next summer when I get the front end squared away and paint... ;-)
Posted by: lukester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 1:01 am

Your doing a great job.
Love the new wheels.......
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:02 pm

Thanks Luke!

Just a side note on the wheels.. I paid $125 for the four wheels, $75 for the rubber, and $42 for the swap. I figure on a per wheel basis I am at only $60 each. I dont think that is too bad of a deal. The jy could probably get $350 for the set.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:09 pm

Here is pictures of the radius arm bushings that I did Sunday. What a b*tch the passenger side was!!!

Old -






New -


Posted by: lukester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:10 pm

Sounds like a great price on the wheels/tires.
How long did the bushings take to install? looks like it could be a pain.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:31 pm

Rear axle seals- do you mean the ones on the outboard side by the brakes or the one behind the pinion on the middle of the axle? What axle do you have by the way? Do you know?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:44 pm

Originally Posted By: lukester
Sounds like a great price on the wheels/tires.
How long did the bushings take to install? looks like it could be a pain.


The drivers side was easy. The bolts for the bracket on the frame was all it took. I would say about 30 - 45 minutes. The passenger side, well.... bolts on the bracket faced the exhaust, therefore I couldnt undo the bracket on the frame unless I took my exhaust apart. So, I took the spring out, undid the shock from the arm, and popped it apart. Problem was popping it back together. Eventually after about 3 hours I got it. My method involved a jack under the I-beam, and a scissor jack pushing the beam back towards the hole. What a PIA it was!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 6:46 pm

Originally Posted By: Reed
Rear axle seals- do you mean the ones on the outboard side by the brakes or the one behind the pinion on the middle of the axle? What axle do you have by the way? Do you know?


Outboard.. I found the guide on Autozone. I think I can do it. I am just worried if that bolt will break inside the pumpkin. I have heard that they can and will do. I think the axle is an 8.8. I am gonna go look at the tag on the pumpkin.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 7:29 pm

It is indeed an 8.8 with 3.73 gears to boot!
Posted by: F350

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 21st 2011 11:06 pm

If you had a come-along, changing out the radial arm bushings gets much easier.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 12:03 pm

Well I got the outboard seals changed yesterday. I'll upload pics later. I was concerned with the foam I saw inside the axle. Is this normal? Other than that, I think this was the easiest job I have done on the ol girl. Total it took me about an hour and a half or so.
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 1:42 pm

foam isnt really normal, means water has gotten in there. Id probably change the rear end oil.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 3:14 pm

Ya, I used compressed air to blow the old oil through the axle tube as best as I could. I also scooped out as much as I could. All in all I would say I got 95%+ old out. She is full of good ol China Mart 80-90 gear oil now laugh The bearings on both sides looked great, and the axles themselves had no pitting, scarring, yellowing, etc..
Posted by: lukester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 3:42 pm



You keep going and your gonna rebuild your whole van in no time. lol
Posted by: LostSheep

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 6:20 pm

Originally Posted By: lukester


You keep going and your gonna rebuild your whole van in no time. lol


....... yeah
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 7:35 pm

Originally Posted By: lukester


You keep going and your gonna rebuild your whole van in no time. lol


rofl

I know! I rattled off the list of things I did alone for the water pump (pump, thermostat and housing, coolant sensor, serpentine belt, both radiator hoses, radiator), and the guy at Napa raised an eyebrow at me. He said I should be good to go for awhile lol I think all this mechanical work I am doing will just help this thing stand the test of time.

Just wait, next weekend I am changing the shocks, pads, greasing the nipples around the front end, and repacking the front wheel bearings. Boy that sounded dirty.. lol ;-)
Posted by: heavy389

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 25th 2011 7:37 pm

oh ll greasin da nipples........... pics rofl
Posted by: zfreak

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 30th 2011 9:04 pm

did you undercoat with rustoleum? ive been looking to coat my frame. my 86 its bout that rusty but the rust is all on rear end, front floor solid, rear rusted thru, funny how they rust differently.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 30th 2011 9:17 pm

If you use a rustoleum paint I would say that would be good enough. If you want more protection a better way would be to go with a bed liner of some sorts and line the under carriage after you neutralize the rust.
Posted by: zfreak

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 30th 2011 9:24 pm

you just use a standard rustoleum paint? im thinkin a jus coasting my frame, it looks like it could rust away with a few more winters
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - September 30th 2011 11:08 pm

Originally Posted By: zfreak
you just use a standard rustoleum paint? im thinkin a jus coasting my frame, it looks like it could rust away with a few more winters


Thats the beauty of Rustoleum. You dont need to lay a primer. Find an organic bases rust neutralizer to treat the rust first though. Otherwise, your rust will come back with a vengeance.
Posted by: zfreak

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 01st 2011 9:31 am

what kind of rust neutralizer do you like? ive tried some rust convertor, seemed to work ok
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 01st 2011 11:44 am

Z, check out my interior build here - http://vannin.com/threads/ubbthreads.php/topics/491238/2.html .. go down a little ways and you'll see what I treated my rust with. I must say this stuff is pretty good. I treated exterior rust and have not painted it yet, and there is zero flash rust. Also, I forgot about the POR products. POR is a paint over rust, but is very sensitive to sunlight. Good stuff from what I hear. It is all a basis of opinion, costs, etc..
Posted by: zfreak

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 01st 2011 3:18 pm

did ya get that stuff from menards too? what was cost? spray or paint on? sorry if i missed it in the post it is pretty long and packed with info
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 01st 2011 7:40 pm

I got that rust treatment from a place called Bomgaars. Here is a link to the same product on Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/PlastiKote-623-Rust-Converter-Oz/dp/B000CPI0QY/ref=pd_sbs_auto1 . I found this stuff applies really well with a piece of old carpet folded in half. Dont ask me why, but between the various methods I used to apply, the carpet piece was best. I also used a wire wheel on my drill to knock off the loose surface bits. You dont want to punch through the rust though. This stuff brings back metal strength.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 2:42 pm

Heh.. I am a little slow with these update pictures laugh Here is the axle seal replacement from a few weeks back. After this was done, I adjusted the E-Brake underneath. Now the brake comes back far enough inside to actually shut the brake light off while I am cruising. I also got the rear louvers on that I got from Hippieluke (no pics yet). My next plans involve more interior mods during winter break. I dread the thought of working in the snow and minus temps, but I will get me a space heater to try and keep myself warm. Anyways, without further ado..


I found this in the passenger side axle tube.. it felt rubbery.. no clue as to what it is exactly..
















Posted by: vanatic05

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 3:53 pm

That is most likely the seal itself by looking at your pictures the rubber seal is completely gone from the steel sleeve it is attached to normally.
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 4:02 pm

i bet that thing was fun to stop in a hurry. you gonna do the brakes while your at it?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 7:07 pm

Dragg-
Well for the rear (for now), I simple greened the shoes, and brake parts cleaned it (still a mess of dried on gunk). This thing has always stopped on a dime. I just did the pads and all 4 shocks, and the brakes are even better now. I have to still grease the nipples in the front and repack the wheel bearings. I did pop the dust caps off to make sure the cotter pins were in place still (which they are).

Vanatic-
No clue, but that would be a good theory. When I yanked the old seals out, I didnt leave much to be desired from them.. lol
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 7:13 pm

I am thinking about replacing my fuel sending units, gauge, and pumps in the tanks. The rear pump is noisy but functional. The front pump is only noisy when the tank gets low on fuel. My question is, can I run the front tank only for a week while I have the rear tank out or should I do the r & r on the sending unit and pump in one shot? Would it be wise to run new wiring to the new gauges? I am thinking about 2 fuel gauges in a pillar pod leaving the fuel selector switch under the dash. Is this doable or should I stick with one gauge for both tanks?
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 7:15 pm

The pumps in my 89 are noisy too. Why complicate your life and spend money you don't need to? If the output of the pumps is within spec, leave well enough alone and keep the factory setup.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 7:28 pm

Well Reed, I would hate to have a pump quit in the middle of nowhere if I took the van for a trip (which I am thinking of doing next summer). I realize both wont quit at the same time, but I am only thinking for peace of mind sakes. Looking at all the repairs I have done thus far, I have ensured this thing will disintegrate around the drive train. I am now done with repairs aside from the fuel thing.

I have decided against going alternative fuel (due to angry g/f and her ... ) The last things I am doing to the van are carpeting or putting fabric on the walls, overhead console, new gauges to replace the factory cluster (shhhhhh this is a secret still in the works), divider wall between the mid seats and bed area, and paint/bodywork (including the front end swap). After all this, I know the van would be worth $3,500 easy. Luckily I'll only be in it about 2k by then.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 7:52 pm

Going alternative fuel would take quite a bit of work. You would need to make sure all the fuel system components could handle the fuel and somehow reprogram the computer to compensate for the different fuel. Further, if you are using something like straight ethanol, you would need to at least mill the head to bump up the compression ratio to make up for the decreased energy stored in ethanol as compared to gasoline.

My advice remains to leave the pumps alone unless you KNOW they are failing. My original pumps are going strong after 167,000+ miles.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 8:05 pm

I have no clue what the mileage of my Econo is. I know its rolled at least once... my guess is really 3 times, but that is just a guess. I was going to go Propane (eliminating F/I with a Propane carb), but the g/f is having a fit of having a giant tank in the yard so that I can refuel the van. I have an Impco here that is a direct bolt on to the slanty which is another reason why I wanted to find me a Dodge slant 6 with a 4spd. I unfortunately have to take what comes my way since my options are very limited out here.

Anyways, the worse thing I am going to do this engine is eliminate the cat and go dual exhaust since I have the 2 exh manifolds. I was thinking 40 series Flowmasters.. but maybe I'll just straight pipe it laugh laugh

I did forget to mention, I found a broken plastic vacuum hose that leads to the air pump assembly. I keep forgetting about it. I think when I do the wires and plugs I;ll get that fixed.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 11th 2011 10:43 pm

Definitely get that vacuum hose hooked back up. The fuel injected motors are very sensitive to vacuum and exhaust leaks.

If you ever decide to get rid of the slant six propane setup let me know.
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 12:01 am

that thing will be ridiculous loud with straight pipes. I had a single straight pipe on a 79 F100 with a 300 i6. I hated it, and i was only 19 and liked loud crap.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 12:04 am

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
that thing will be ridiculous loud with straight pipes. I had a single straight pipe on a 79 F100 with a 300 i6. I hated it, and i was only 19 and liked loud crap.


rofl

I don't think I am going that far.. I think I am going to sell her. I am tired of the daily fight *sigh*.
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 1:42 am

frown
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 1:56 am

Ya I know Reed....... every day I am fighting something.. school.. kid.. woman.. and when I show her something cool on Jegs for $2xx dollars she says to me "too bad the decimal point isnt to the left one or two spots." I mean really? Cant just say thats pretty cool like I thought. I have a feeler up for her (not her, the Econo).. and im gonna see if I can find me an Astro conversion..
Posted by: Reed

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 2:32 am

Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. Good luck with the sale.
Posted by: River_Rat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 7:12 am

If you do the exhaust,go with 2" pipe and short cherry bombs. Itll have a nice mellow tone and still have a growl but not loud and crazy.
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 9:52 am

A 454 pushing thru 10 ft of 3" pipe and a 50 series Flowmaster..Hell ya its LOUD thats the point....

Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 12th 2011 12:38 pm

You know, its way easier to trade the woman in if you havent already got the title to her lol Then you can get all the van parts you want!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 1:30 am

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
You know, its way easier to trade the woman in if you havent already got the title to her lol Then you can get all the van parts you want!


*clears throat* Im not touching that with a 50ft pole laugh
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 1:31 am

Do you all think I am asking too much for my van? I figure im in parts wise about a grand to 1200 or so.. add labor?
Posted by: F350

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 1:02 pm

Vehicles are money pits. You will never get back what you put in.

If not 1900, try 1500.
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 2:06 pm

Oh I know how vehicles can nickel and dime you for sure! I am going to the dark side *hangs head*. I just need the funds from this to pay for that .. lol
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 4:49 pm

yeah, i think 1900 may be a little to the high side. If you fixed the front end and made it all one color, you may be in the ballpark.
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 4:55 pm

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
yeah, i think 1900 may be a little to the high side. If you fixed the front end and made it all one color, you may be in the ballpark.


and blind folded the buyer...
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 6:17 pm

Originally Posted By: frscke1
Originally Posted By: draggnastro
yeah, i think 1900 may be a little to the high side. If you fixed the front end and made it all one color, you may be in the ballpark.


and blind folded the buyer...


HEY NOW! curse
Posted by: lukester

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 10:10 pm

Originally Posted By: draggnastro
You know, its way easier to trade the woman in if you havent already got the title to her lol Then you can get all the van parts you want!


yeah
dump the girl KEEP the van....
Posted by: aftoyboy

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 10:24 pm

I like that idea! hmmm....
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 17th 2011 11:48 pm

So, everyone here thinks I am mad for the coin I am trying to generate on this thing. I have the old piece for between the bumper and grill.. I suppose I could slap that back on there *scratches head*. I dont know anymore.. I do know I have to focus on my study's. Which means if I have a project that needs to be done, I take personal time away from my learning objectives. Me thinks I should've never got this van now. I shoulda went Astro conversion from the get go.
Posted by: FinallyaVanner

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 18th 2011 3:01 am

Sucks you got to let it go. Really does!!
Man I am so glad my wife and kids like our van. Makes it easier to spend money on the van and they like to work on it too!!!
Posted by: Carlton

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 18th 2011 9:37 pm

^^ Maybe a wife swap? ^^



yep, I'm running and hiding.................................
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 18th 2011 9:45 pm

Originally Posted By: Carlton
^^ Maybe a wife swap? ^^



yep, I'm running and hiding.................................



Is yours any better ??? rofl
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 18th 2011 9:47 pm

Originally Posted By: FinallyaVanner
Sucks you got to let it go. Really does!!
Man I am so glad my wife and kids like our van. Makes it easier to spend money on the van and they like to work on it too!!!


Your lucky to have that kind of love and support!
Posted by: Carlton

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 19th 2011 6:52 am

Oops, I didn't mean me. Finally was saying how his wife enjoys helping work on the van and yours, well......

I'll keep mine, I'm very happy [and lucky] smile
Posted by: wookee

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 19th 2011 9:16 am

Unfortunately even though the van was FREE you started way behind.There was a good reason for the van being free.
The huge down side/FACT about vans is they really do not bring what car do in the same shape and condition.
At your asking price there are a bunch out there for the same price in better condition.

Sorry,I would unload the girl friend first.....

........Wookee
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 19th 2011 2:44 pm

Originally Posted By: wookee
Unfortunately even though the van was FREE you started way behind.There was a good reason for the van being free.
The huge down side/FACT about vans is they really do not bring what car do in the same shape and condition.
At your asking price there are a bunch out there for the same price in better condition.

Sorry,I would unload the girl friend first.....

........Wookee


yeah, that. Fact is, even if you sell it, your chances of replacing it with something of comparable condition for the money are iffy. why not just keep it and fix it as you get time. If it runs good, just drive it
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 20th 2011 12:55 pm

This thing runs like brand new. Although, I think it needs a new tensioner for the serpentine belt. Even though I have a new belt on, the engine still lets out a little squeal on startup.

I have decided that once I get my new Astro/Safari here, I am going to rent a garage or storage unit, and I am going to swap the sheet metal (door, fenders, valance, and bumpers), bondo the few little places she needs it, and lay some paint down on her. I would think once all that is accomplished, I should be able to get about 22-2500 out of her. I know this is a hard way to go, but in the end this will be the best option.
Posted by: c1run1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 20th 2011 6:10 pm

any rent money spent is moeny you have to add in towards your profit .
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 20th 2011 7:51 pm

Rent schment! lol
Posted by: draggnastro

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 21st 2011 12:40 pm

Well, good luck in whatever you do. Sure is a decent van, im sure you'll miss it. I love my Astro's but ran out of space quick in em!
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 8:39 pm

What ya'll think of my new signature??? rofl rofl rofl
Posted by: F350

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 8:56 pm

Rather obnoxious.
Posted by: GhostRyder

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 9:15 pm

'87 Econoline - 300 FI six, 4spd on the floor
Vanner Price - $1200 + shipping
Non Vanner Price - $1500 + shipping
Vanner price minus the girlfriend ........priceless.
Posted by: HighwayStar

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 9:21 pm

Originally Posted By: piscespokerbrat
What ya'll think of my new signature??? rofl rofl rofl



............ pics......... rofl
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 9:28 pm

Originally Posted By: F350
Rather obnoxious.


I think the main point was missed....... trying to include the g/f that gave me the permanent migraine over said for sale van. I admit, I did make the sig pop lol
Posted by: GhostRyder

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 9:53 pm

heres an astro for ya.


somehow put the wrong link.
Posted by: HighwayStar

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 10:10 pm

Originally Posted By: GhostRyder


................ rofl
Posted by: MACE

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 10:31 pm

what are the reasons you are shifting from fullsize bro?
Oh and this thrad is worthless without pics of GF.
Lulz?
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 11:51 pm

Originally Posted By: GhostRyder


rofl That thing is pretty awesome tho.. wonder how heavy that sucker is??
Posted by: piscespokerbrat

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 23rd 2011 11:54 pm

Ummmmm... ya .. said migraine causer would castrate me if I posted a pic of her on here. I think I like my manhood (well whats left of it at least).

My main reason for the trade is something that is already done, and I wont have to worry about the next step of the conversion process. One day when I am a multi kajillionaire (maybe not that excessive), I will take the time, find a solid ride, and do a build good and slow without having to worry about the bottom $$.
Posted by: frscke1

Re: My FREE '87 Econo I drove 350 miles home (57 Pics) - October 24th 2011 11:38 am

Originally Posted By: HighwayStar
Originally Posted By: GhostRyder


................ rofl



Its got 4 flat tires....lolol