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#550429 - March 22nd 2012 11:01 am Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
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Registered: May 09th 2006 12:00 pm
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You are promoting our lifestyle, not your wallet. I think the term "promoter" can mean any different number of things, in the case of what you are doing for the vanning community, it fits. We all know it's not for your own personal gain, but for the love of our lifestyle. I hesitate to call vanning a "sport" or our "hobby" because its so much more than that. Many of us have made lifelong friends and major life decisions based on/around vans, vanning, and vanners. My hobby is building and riding bicycles. Who am I? Im a vanner. Who's my family? Vanners.
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#550512 - March 22nd 2012 4:52 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
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If you loved or hated Dean Moore,Doesn't really matter he put on one hell of a Van Run Called Van Fest,And for years tons of Vans rolled in...Lots of vendors and lots to do.
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But Todd you are the man bow
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#550515 - March 22nd 2012 4:58 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
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Quote:
pro·mot·er/pr&#601;&#712;m&#333;t&#601;r/
Noun:
A person or thing that promotes something, in particular.


I don't see the problem
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#550520 - March 22nd 2012 5:24 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: Astro]
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Originally Posted By: Astro
Quote:
pro·mot·er/pr&#601;&#712;m&#333;t&#601;r/
Noun:
A person or thing that promotes something, in particular.


I don't see the problem



Me either. That is he point that I was trying to make.

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#550527 - March 22nd 2012 6:02 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
Doc 2% of Canada, EH!!!! Offline
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Registered: June 10th 2003 12:00 pm
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Loc: Burlington, On, Canada Eh !!!!
Representative of True Vanner's may work......the 2% kicked the promoters out years ago and left a bad taste in those Vanner mouths that lived through that era....

The promoters in the day used the movement for their own gain, screwed parks and facilities and generally messed up to this day, where some parks with lonnnnnggggg memories still bar us.....

It has been along time since I drove 12 hours to a park only to find the gates locked, 500 vans parked on the road, an irate park owner who was promised the world, and and an absentee promoter that ran off with the Pre Reg Money..........Nevermind the ones that got 6000 vans, provided facilities for 200 and bands that had no power to play....ETC ETC....

So when you use the term Van Promoter, it is not only those that are true original 2 %'ers that would hate that term and what it once stood for...its the venues, and those with looonnnngggg memories that automatically dismiss you ( and worse, all of us )because of those memories.....

We have come a long way baby..........but we have to remember History is just that, and to a certain extent, no where were we are now !

This is just an observation,or explanation , not a criticism

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#550528 - March 22nd 2012 6:02 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
wookee Offline
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Registered: April 14th 2003 12:00 pm
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Suzie yes there where plenty of event before Dean Moore.and after.
PA Dutch was held/started on the SAME Memorial day weekends.The same years.They where put together in direct competition with the Van Fest events.........

Wow we just took a nice trip in the way back machine right there......1981 30 years ago this memorial day weekend.

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#550732 - March 23rd 2012 9:43 am Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
Suzie-BGfNY-IN Offline
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Registered: September 21st 2002 12:00 pm
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Nice trip back Wookie--

all I am saying is back then there were many eVANts that had conflicting weekends--still happens a bit today too. And that was part of the reason Councils were started--to help avoid all of that. All I am saying about Truckers Unlimited is there wasn't a motive to be 'competitive' or to 'take down' some other eVANt--just the availability of everything needed to put on an eVANt---grounds, etc...
not to be 'evil.'

Anyway, that is all past and this is about what Todd wants to call himself--I think you have lots of options and support now Todd--go with what makes you comfortable.
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#550749 - March 23rd 2012 10:46 am Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
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Registered: December 27th 2000 12:00 pm
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Loc: Toronto, Canada
No doubt the late Dean Moore did some good for vanning, but he scored no points with many of us at the 1999 Nationals.

Dean had a brilliant idea of reviving Vanfest in 2000 that would have 1000-2000 vans in attendance, making it the largest van event in a number of years. First mistake was not getting local vanners in on this at all. Second and biggest mistake was putting it on the same weekend as a long established event 50 miles away and not backing down from that date. His third mistake was telling anyone who would listen, that vanners didn't have a clue on how to run a van event (remember this is 1999,by then vanners had been on their own for many years keeping this going just fine). Well needless to say vanners did not support the event and it never got off the ground.

As Doc mentioned, we need to keep track of this history. Let's not let it get distorted, as it tends to get when it's not properly documented.

If anyone has a flyer for Vanfest 2000 please post it.

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#550767 - March 23rd 2012 11:52 am Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: vanmachineman]
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Registered: September 21st 2002 12:00 pm
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I remember we figured he got to that number by counting just the flyers he had made up for it!

I can look upstairs for one Doug, but I really don't think I even picked up more than one just for the info on it.
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#550768 - March 23rd 2012 12:03 pm Re: ""Promoting Vans & Vanning"" [Re: Virtual]
Wizard78 Offline
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Registered: August 20th 2008 10:14 pm
Posts: 17160
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Virtual
No doubt the late Dean Moore did some good for vanning, but he scored no points with many of us at the 1999 Nationals.

Dean had a brilliant idea of reviving Vanfest in 2000 that would have 1000-2000 vans in attendance, making it the largest van event in a number of years. First mistake was not getting local vanners in on this at all. Second and biggest mistake was putting it on the same weekend as a long established event 50 miles away and not backing down from that date. His third mistake was telling anyone who would listen, that vanners didn't have a clue on how to run a van event (remember this is 1999,by then vanners had been on their own for many years keeping this going just fine). Well needless to say vanners did not support the event and it never got off the ground.

As Doc mentioned, we need to keep track of this history. Let's not let it get distorted, as it tends to get when it's not properly documented.

If anyone has a flyer for Vanfest 2000 please post it.


I'll look,I think I still have that flyer
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